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March 19th, 2004, 4:28 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: DancerTake the trading floor as an example. how do you explain the lack of women (given research showing higher levels of women and higher results coming out of education)? In any human endeavour (apart from child-bearing functions), the top performers are always males. Even if you're a feminist you ought to be able to recognize this. The trading depends on top performers like no other business. That explains the skewness of gender distribution on trading floors.
 
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March 19th, 2004, 6:01 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: EnergeticQuoteOriginally posted by: DancerTake the trading floor as an example. how do you explain the lack of women (given research showing higher levels of women and higher results coming out of education)? In any human endeavour (apart from child-bearing functions), the top performers are always males. Even if you're a feminist you ought to be able to recognize this. The trading depends on top performers like no other business. That explains the skewness of gender distribution on trading floors.Demonstrably wrong. Look at ultra-swimming records.
 
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March 19th, 2004, 6:07 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: NorthernJohnDemonstrably wrong. Look at ultra-swimming records.You and Energetic probably don't actually disagree. Energetic has merely provided you with another attempt to use the word "wrong," and thereby emphasize your own worth and superior knowledge.This isn't a classroom, whom are you trying to impress? And if you saying that you are right and Energetic is wrong, are you really willing to be wrong just to try to disntinguish yourself?MP
 
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March 19th, 2004, 6:21 pm

I really never understood this feminism bulls**it. Looks are always important either male or female. A sexy bombshell with equal intellect will always havean advantage over a ordinary or ugly gal she is simply ahead in the looks department.In every field looks are important. If these idiot feminst have there way all the goodlooking sexy actresses will be replaced by those thick rimmed horrible looking gals. But then who willgo for that kind of crap?Whether it is money or banking or what ever sex will always be important if not among the most importantfactor.Does it matter if buisness can be obtained in bed ....... one can make money, once can make profit andto cap it all one can have lot of fun .......At the end intelligent people irrespective of sex will always be respected in finace and banking or other field.If in addition good looks are there it will help enormously.So please dont bring this stupid feminist crap and unnecessarily try to politicse and draw mileage.
 
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March 19th, 2004, 6:31 pm

Dancer,By the way are you a good dancer? What kind of dances do you do? I am quite good in Tango, flamenco and some other flavors of Latin dancing so just curious.I have interacted with a sizeable number of dancers ( I have done little bit of choreography also ....).As it happened I have never met any feminist among dancers. Dancers, actresses and others in the show buisnessgenerally tend to prize there sexuality.
 
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March 19th, 2004, 7:25 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: abumazenQuoteOriginally posted by: NorthernJohnDemonstrably wrong. Look at ultra-swimming records.This isn't a classroom, whom are you trying to impress? And if you saying that you are right and Energetic is wrong, are you really willing to be wrong just to try to disntinguish yourself?MPOh dear, you really do seem to fell the need to try and poke fun at me every time I post. This little obsession of yours is a bit worrying. Look, just because I made you look a bit silly, there is no need for you to run around nipping at my heels and trying to score points.I'm sorry, but it is very childish, and is making you look like a kid having a temper tantrum, Grow up, eh? Try and act like a grown up.I am not going to respond to anything else you write, so you are wasting your time looking for any further responses.Seeing how childish you are, I don't expect you to stop though. Please, prove me wrong, act like an adult for once.
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March 19th, 2004, 7:29 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: NorthernJohnIn any human endeavour (apart from child-bearing functions), the top performers are always males. Even if you're a feminist you ought to be able to recognize this. The trading depends on top performers like no other business. That explains the skewness of gender distribution on trading floors.Demonstrably wrong. Look at ultra-swimming records.I can't immediately find a table of ultra-swimming records. Regardless, I don't think it qualifies as a counter-example. You could just as well pick something as significant as speed-knitting. When (and if) ultra-swimming becomes Olympic (or simply popular) sport men will prevail as they always do.
 
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March 19th, 2004, 7:48 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: EnergeticQuoteOriginally posted by: NorthernJohnIn any human endeavour (apart from child-bearing functions), the top performers are always males. Even if you're a feminist you ought to be able to recognize this. The trading depends on top performers like no other business. That explains the skewness of gender distribution on trading floors.Demonstrably wrong. Look at ultra-swimming records.I can't immediately find a table of ultra-swimming records. Regardless, I don't think it qualifies as a counter-example. You could just as well pick something as significant as speed-knitting. When (and if) ultra-swimming becomes Olympic (or simply popular) sport men will prevail as they always do.It sounds like someone is stuck in the time of Rousseau and Voltaire... I have a naturally tendancy to agree with Energetic nevertheless, but I kind of think that view is held by MCPs, Male Chauvinist Pigs. Dancer could well be British because among school kiddies the females have been out-performing boys in recent years in the national tests at the ages of 16 and 18 - I would assume the marking is not sex-biased, but this is meant to be a socialist country so you never know.
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March 19th, 2004, 7:54 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: NorthernJohnSeeing how childish you are, I don't expect you to stop though. Please, prove me wrong, act like an adult for once.Some of the things you say are so silly, I don't know whether to burst out laughing.It hardly seems possible that your visible deficits could be unaccompanied by obscure skills.But while an idiot-savant can be both pitied and respected at once, no one who dictates how much I should pay for gas, or what size car I should driv, out of his own presumptuous arrogance, should ever get a free pass.When you start talking about the disposal of my property, you will always receive as close to a punch in the mouth as I can deliver.MP
 
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March 19th, 2004, 9:38 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: LondonPeteIt sounds like someone is stuck in the time of Rousseau and Voltaire... I have a naturally tendancy to agree with Energetic nevertheless, but I kind of think that view is held by MCPs, Male Chauvinist Pigs. Dancer could well be British because among school kiddies the females have been out-performing boys in recent years in the national tests at the ages of 16 and 18 - I would assume the marking is not sex-biased, but this is meant to be a socialist country so you never know.Pete, you're objecting to the point that I never made. School girls may be outperforming boys on average. What I said was that the top performers were male. Strictly speaking, I don't need to defend my point at the school level because school kids rarely rise to the very top. But even when they do (say, female swimmers mature early and often win Olympic gold while still in school) they're still easily beaten by the boys of the same age. Or look at the statistics of international math olympiads. (I'm going out on a limb here because I didn't look myself.) What's the percentage of female winners there? That's what I'm talking about.
 
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March 19th, 2004, 11:09 pm

Energetic is right of course, his point being obvious, but still stubbornly disputed by some. Male distribution by any ability has much longer tails, whereas mean could be sligthly above or below that of a female distribution. It is kind of undisputable in physical activities, but where mental activities are measurable it is similarly obvious.In chess, women's world champion plays on the level of a male master. I don't know stats on math olympiads either, i remember that in USSR olumpiads girls would be winners in less than 1% cases and never achieved the full score. Fields medal was never given to a girl so far, although this is not an entirely objective measure. This list could go on forever. I would venture to guess that this observation has genetical explanation. Males have different chromosome types in every pair, females the same type. Males therefore mutate faster and represent an experimental half of human species. In females the advantageous features are getting stabilyzed for future use. Therefore any of the features are getting slower into the females and rarely in extreme form.
 
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March 19th, 2004, 11:11 pm

Sorry Energetic, my bad. I agree with you, I have read a study that showed the variance of IQ for males to be wider than that of females, fully in-line with your argument.
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March 20th, 2004, 1:25 am

Hello Everybody!This conversation is just a historical artefact, because at the PhD level in mathematical finance nowadays, half of the top students are women. Let's talk about this in ten years! Because right now, I have to admit I am a bit ashamed of mankind, and very gung-ho about womankind! But then again, that's why there's money to be made in so-called efficient markets! People make up their minds on labels that are bullshit! Lemme hear anyone of you say that you are smarter than Nicole El Karoui or Helyette Geman, and I will gladly rent a chopper to fly over you so that I can shit on your face! Piloted by a woman of course, apparently they are cheaper thanks to the morons of the world!Best regards,Taher.
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