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November 8th, 2017, 10:02 am

And Sonia O'Suliivan experienced this in two world championships .

https://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2017 ... ld-medals/

Former Chinese athletic team doctor Xue Yinxian has claimed that all medals won by China in the 1990s, including those won at the expense of Sonia O’Sullivan, should be handed back due to a systemic doping programme.
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

November 8th, 2017, 11:09 am

And Sonia O'Suliivan experienced this in two world championships .

https://www.rte.ie/sport/athletics/2017 ... ld-medals/

Former Chinese athletic team doctor Xue Yinxian has claimed that all medals won by China in the 1990s, including those won at the expense of Sonia O’Sullivan, should be handed back due to a systemic doping programme.
it was bizarre. A whole bunch of hitherto unknown female chinese  distance runners became world-beaters overnight in 1993 and claimed it was because they were drinking turtle blood. When runners become world-beaters overnight, it should raise red flags (usain bolt, mohammed farah, and paula radcliffe also spring to mind).
The peasant women of Ma’s Army, as the runners were called, threw down some unbelievable shit: At the time, a 1,500-meter world record, the top six 3,000 meters performances of all time, a world record 5000-meters, and the top 10,000 meter of all time, all achieved over the course of five days at the 1993 National Games of China, most of those still standing 22 years later.
As if that wasn’t enough, previous to that Burning Man of track, in April 1993, Wang Junxia posted a world-leading 2:24 marathon, and in October 1993, four Chinese women, led by Junxia, swept the World Marathon Cup.
The crazy-fast times, the matter of hours between record-breaking performances, and the outrageous range of distances the women completely dominated stretched the credibility of everyone in the track world (except, ironically, the IAAF), but the coach and the runners insisted their success was the result of hard work and turtle blood.
reportedly, the women themselves confessed in 1995 but nothing happened
Written in 1995 by 10 members of the Chinese distance running team—including multiple world record holder Wang Junxia—to Chinese journalist Zhao Yu, the letter tells how their coach, chain-smoking Ma Junren, encouraged them to take pills, and if they refused, he personally injected them with drugs. “We are humans, not animals,” read the letter. “For many years, [he] forced us to take a large dose of illegal drugs. It was true.”
 
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

December 1st, 2017, 6:37 pm

Russian doping: London Olympics retesting results in two more positive tests
Yulia Gushchina was part of the women's 4x400m relay team that won silver, also placing 15th in the 400m event.
Russia was stripped of that medal in February, following Antonina Krivoshapka's positive test.
Anna Nazarova, who was fifth in the women's long jump in London, was also found to have returned a positive test.
what concerns me is
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) said it would be retesting all Russian samples from the Games following the publication - in December 2016 - of the McLaren report, which said Russian athletes benefited from a state-sponsored doping programme between 2011 and 2015.
That process has now been concluded, with 226 samples reanalysed and 21 sanctions in total.
correct me if I'm wrong, but the point of this must be that the tests now are better in some sense than the tests used at London 2012, so that the tests now can pick up drug infractions that the tests then could not.
I'm a big believer that the same rules should apply to everyone. Some, but presumably not all, of the russians may have been cheating and gotten away with it at the time. But I doubt if they were the only ones. The same standards should apply to everyone. If you want to go back and retest the russian samples to try to catch cheats, that's fine by me. But do it to everyone else as well. If they are clean, then they have nothing to hide
 
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December 2nd, 2017, 1:45 am

Russian doping: London Olympics retesting results in two more positive tests
Yulia Gushchina was part of the women's 4x400m relay team that won silver, also placing 15th in the 400m event.
Russia was stripped of that medal in February, following Antonina Krivoshapka's positive test.
Anna Nazarova, who was fifth in the women's long jump in London, was also found to have returned a positive test.
what concerns me is
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) said it would be retesting all Russian samples from the Games following the publication - in December 2016 - of the McLaren report, which said Russian athletes benefited from a state-sponsored doping programme between 2011 and 2015.
That process has now been concluded, with 226 samples reanalysed and 21 sanctions in total.
correct me if I'm wrong, but the point  of this must be that the tests now are better in some sense than the tests used at London 2012, so that the tests now can pick up drug infractions that the tests then could not.
I'm a big believer that the same rules should apply to everyone. Some, but presumably not all, of the russians may have been cheating and gotten away with it at the time. But I doubt if they were the only ones. The same standards should apply to everyone. If you want to go back and retest the russian samples to try to catch cheats, that's fine by me. But do it to everyone else as well. If they are clean, then they have nothing to hide
I am *shocked* that you are defending the Russians. Just saying...
 
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

December 2nd, 2017, 7:01 am

I wasn't defending the russians so much as saying "retest EVERY sample." It would seem that the technology has advanced sufficiently far that the authorities can catch some drug cheats who tested clean in the initial tests.
According to the article, they retested every russian sample they had, and 21 out of the 226 led to sanctions. That's 9.3% of the russian samples were clean under the old tests but dirty under the new ones.
I have absolutely no doubt that if they applied the new tests to the samples they have from other countries, then additional cheats would be found. The same rules should apply to everyone
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

December 2nd, 2017, 12:39 pm

Sport is political.
 
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

December 13th, 2017, 4:31 pm

Chris Froome fights to save career after failed drugs test result
british cyclist who won the tour de france
he has a so-called therapeutic exemption for asthma but had far more of the drug (double the amount) in his system than allowed under the exemption
I've previously noted that an improbable number of athletes claim to have asthma, and on a completely unrelated note, the steroid used to treat asthma is also performance enhancing
 
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December 13th, 2017, 4:44 pm

Sport is political.
And politics is a sport.
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December 13th, 2017, 4:50 pm

Chris Froome fights to save career after failed drugs test result
british cyclist who won the tour de france
he has a so-called therapeutic exemption for asthma but had far more of the drug (double the amount) in his system than allowed under the exemption
I've previously noted that an improbable number of athletes claim to have asthma, and on a completely unrelated note, the steroid used to treat asthma is also performance enhancing
Maybe, maybe not.

1. What is the false-positive rate for this test?
2. What other accidental behaviors might cause the drug to concentrate or accumulate (e.g., eating grapefruit can induce an overdose of some types of drugs)
3. Endurance sports are really hard on the lungs -- try exercising at your lactic acid threshold heart rate for 6 hours -- it's not surprising that it can provoke or induce asthma or asthma-like conditions.
 
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

December 13th, 2017, 5:05 pm

 Endurance sports are really hard on the lungs -- try exercising at your lactic acid threshold heart rate for 6 hours -- it's not surprising that it can provoke or induce asthma or asthma-like conditions.

No thanks. Humans weren't built for this. 3-4 minutes intensive exertion is more healthy.
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December 13th, 2017, 5:18 pm

 Endurance sports are really hard on the lungs -- try exercising at your lactic acid threshold heart rate for 6 hours -- it's not surprising that it can provoke or induce asthma or asthma-like conditions.

No thanks. Humans weren't built for this. 3-4 minutes intensive exertion is more healthy.
Indeed! But sometimes it takes hours of jogging to exhaust a wildebeest and catch a nice dinner!
 
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

December 13th, 2017, 11:58 pm

 Endurance sports are really hard on the lungs -- try exercising at your lactic acid threshold heart rate for 6 hours -- it's not surprising that it can provoke or induce asthma or asthma-like conditions.

No thanks. Humans weren't built for this. 3-4 minutes intensive exertion is more healthy.
Indeed!  But sometimes it takes hours of jogging to exhaust a wildebeest and catch a nice dinner!
How are your knees?
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

December 14th, 2017, 12:27 am

 Endurance sports are really hard on the lungs -- try exercising at your lactic acid threshold heart rate for 6 hours -- it's not surprising that it can provoke or induce asthma or asthma-like conditions.

No thanks. Humans weren't built for this. 3-4 minutes intensive exertion is more healthy.
Indeed!  But sometimes it takes hours of jogging to exhaust a wildebeest and catch a nice dinner!
How are your knees?
My knees are fine and the wildebeest's knees are tasty.
 
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

December 14th, 2017, 2:20 am

Sometimes, no gnus is good gnus.
 
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Re: performance enhancing drugs

December 14th, 2017, 12:36 pm

Sometimes, no gnus is good gnus.
I'll bear that in mind.
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