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How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 14th, 2003, 4:55 pm
by Energetic
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How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 14th, 2003, 4:56 pm
by monkeyA
have they got any oil we can have?

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 14th, 2003, 5:22 pm
by Beavis
Makes pre-war Iraq look civil

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 14th, 2003, 6:01 pm
by ppauper

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 14th, 2003, 6:37 pm
by Hamilton
UgandaMy oh my. The rest of Wilmott Forum just discovered African genocide. Heavens. And even the Guardian. Little late to the party boys. While everyone's been napping, Sudan has butchered millions in the longest and bloodiest civil war in modern times --- while Nelson Mandela was playing Chicken Little saying that the US was going to unleash a holocaust, his fellow Africans were doing a much better job.And do a little googling and look up the Congo. Are the French still goosestepping around the Ivory Coast while enquiring minds look elsewhere?

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 14th, 2003, 6:39 pm
by Hamilton
OilYes. Lotsa oil in Sudan. You can look up the National Geographic article. Unfortunately, the Oil Companies are all Canadian, French, Russian, etc so I don't think that the press is playing up that angle.And who was the international power broker forcing a ceasefire and negotiations last January? The UN?Not likely. The US, of course.Please hold your applause.

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 15th, 2003, 7:41 am
by DominicConnor
Ppauper has a point, with many African countries the solution may be regime, not regime change.The recent British experience in Africa indicates that massive good can be done with a few hundred troops. We've got Sierre Leone into much better shape with few casualties on our side, and only a few hundred amongst the gangs.SL is by African standards not that bad now. The key thing the USA would bring to peacekeeping is logistics. By getting troops to the right place the gangs that infest much of Africa would be simply unable to fight back properly. The other US skill would be the ability to kill people. Peacekeeping requires that when the bad guys start shooting, they suffer. UN style peacekeeping which seems to be little more than recording who murdered who is of little value.

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 15th, 2003, 10:12 am
by andym
QuoteOriginally posted by: Hamilton<b>Uganda</b>My oh my. The rest of Wilmott Forum just discovered African genocide. Heavens. And even the Guardian. Little late to the party boys. While everyone's been napping, Sudan has butchered millions in the longest and bloodiest civil war in modern times --- while Nelson Mandela was playing Chicken Little saying that the US was going to unleash a holocaust, his fellow Africans were doing a much better job.And do a little googling and look up the Congo. Are the French still goosestepping around the Ivory Coast while enquiring minds look elsewhere?Hamilton, lets make a deal: if you agree to temper your condescension, us plebs will make more of an effort to follow your arguments...

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 15th, 2003, 10:17 am
by FDAXHunter
andym: Hamilton, lets make a deal: if you agree to temper your condescension, us plebs will make more of an effort to follow your arguments...Ahh dude... don't make any promises we won't be able to keep.

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 15th, 2003, 10:37 am
by monkeyA
I agree with DCFC on the type of peacekeeping required.The trouble is, if the UN can't do it, the US is probably the only country with the military might and willing to actually go in there and do a proper job - ironically though they won't because they've found world and public opinion so against them whenever they've go in somewhere in the past, and suffered first hand in the form of extremism from the people who's land they then have to occupy.

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 15th, 2003, 11:23 am
by FDAXHunter
Aight, how about this? Statues are tough... but might this do?

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 15th, 2003, 11:29 am
by Beavis
QuoteOriginally posted by: monkeyAI agree with DCFC on the type of peacekeeping required.The trouble is, if the UN can't do it, the US is probably the only country with the military might and willing to actually go in there and do a proper job - ironically though they won't because they've found world and public opinion so against them whenever they've go in somewhere in the past, and suffered first hand in the form of extremism from the people who's land they then have to occupy.What we should do is pull out every last soldier from every corner of the earth and return them home. We should immediately withdraw every last aid offer to every last country and not give out a single dollar to anyone.Then after two years we should count how many people and countries are left.

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 15th, 2003, 11:31 am
by Beavis
>>Makes pre-war Iraq look civil Well the article said:>>14,000 children have been abducted, with 8,000 escaped or dead, leaving 6,000 still in the LRA. They've got a way to go to catch up to Saddam.In the late 80s in the Anfal campaign against the Hurds, Saddam and his friend Chemical Ali killed between 50,000 and 100,000 in that one campaign alone. Maybe chemical weapons are more civil than clubs ?I don't believe that Iraq has armies of children running around butchering other children. But maybe you know otherwise.

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 15th, 2003, 12:35 pm
by Hamilton
Hamilton, lets make a deal: if you agree to temper your condescension, us plebs will make more of an effort to follow your arguments...February 2003 National Geographic.

How about regime change in Uganda?

Posted: July 15th, 2003, 1:00 pm
by Hamilton
Cat does not yet have my tongue.