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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 28th, 2018, 7:29 pm

Given the extreme views of Trump and his likely SC nominations, one needs to start thinking about who dies (or retires) and when. If the country is utterly fucked, we should not be overly surprised if somebody in the country fights back.
Roe vs Wade is likely to be the first victim...  There is so much wrong with this, I don’t even know where to begin.

One thing that emerges out of everything we’ve seen so far is that Vladimir Putin is a genius.  It is astonishing to observe just how much he has managed to achieve.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 28th, 2018, 7:57 pm

One thing that emerges out of everything we’ve seen so far is that Vladimir Putin is a genius.  It is astonishing to observe just how much he has managed to achieve.


There's a reason. My late Dutch judo teacher who won two gold medals in the Munich Olympics had a separate style for beating Russian, Japanese judokas et al. Analogies abound.

Putin’s inner circle, sometimes called Russia’s “judocracy,” includes many judo aficionados. Gennady Timchenko, a billionaire oil trader, co-founded the elite St. Petersburg judo club, Yavara-Neva, in 1998. Arkady Rotenberg, another billionaire businessman, is the club’s general director. Both men are on a U.S. blacklist of persons sanctioned in recent months. Other Putin judo friends occupy senior positions in the Interior and other ministries.
Mark Galeotti, a Russia specialist at New York University and visiting professor at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, an elite foreign affairs university, says that Washington is ignoring Putin’s love of judo at its peril. “Putin finds himself in a position in which he needs to have the tactics to take on much stronger enemies,” like the United States, China and Europe, Galeotti tells Newsweek. “Clearly, how he does that is by forcing them, in judo form, to either waste their energies or put them in a position where he can pin them without having to face their main strength. He’s certainly using judo tactics.”
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 28th, 2018, 11:09 pm

Maybe President Trump could learn something from Norway, which has I believe about 15,000 illegal immigrants versus the up to 44 MILLION illegal immigrants in the US
If there were only 15,000 illegals in the US, no one would care about them. Not so Norway, which seems determined to track down every single one of them.
Record deportation figures weren’t enough for Norway
Norway had a record number of deportations in 2016 (8,078) but missed the target of 9,000.
If there are 15,000 illegals, the target is 60% of them
While the target wasn’t met, Immigration Minister Sylvi Listhaug said she was still satisfied with the record number of deportations.
“It’s about fighting crime and securing the population. We will find those who are staying illegally in Norway and we will send them back to the country they belong to,” she told NRK
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PU head Morten Hojem Ervik said that part of the reason the agency didn’t hit its target is that the significantly lower number of asylum seekers mean that there were simply fewer people to deport.
If it's "about fighting crime," they must all have had criminal records, right?
Well, no
Roughly 28 percent of those who were deported in 2016 had criminal records, a slight decrease from the percentage in the previous year.
So 72% of them did not have criminal records?
How does that compare to President Trump?
One in three people arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in the first half of fiscal 2018 had no criminal convictions
That can't be right. One in three people arrested (not deported, arrested) by ICE had no criminal record.
72% of people deported by Norway had no criminal record.

‘It’s about security’ Norway ‘tells EU borders will REMAIN closed’ amid migrant crackdown
The Government’s decision to extend the control comes as Immigration Minister Sylvi Listhaug vowed to do everything in her power to stop migrants coming to Norway, as experts predict more than 8000 people will seek asylum in 2017.
so 8,000 new arrivals in 2017, and they deported 8,078 in 2016.

How does Norway feel about diversity and multiculturalism. After all, immigrants enrich us all
On Tuesday the Immigration Minister also posted on social media that newcomers to the country would not dictate terms, saying that in Norway “we drink and eat pork”.
Ms Listhaug said: “I believe those who come to Norway must integrate into our society.
“Here we eat pork, drink alcohol and show our face. One must abide by the values, laws and regulations we have in Norway when one comes here.”
That doesn't sound very welcoming. What if my religion forbids pork and alcohol and tells me to cover my face?
If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
Bearish is always ranting about white supremacists, and it looks like we've found one in Norway's Immigration Minister
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 12:49 am

I didn't bother to read your whole post, but Sylvi Listhaug (who is no longer the immigration minister, resigning under pressure from, well, everybody else) is Norway's Stephen Miller, only slightly more visible. And perhaps a tad more anti-muslim, but now we are splitting hairs.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 12:56 am

What is the worst case scenario for your daughters, bearish? If it's about abortion, all states are never going to ban it. And the demographic changes are going to destroy the white dominance anyway, regardless of who sits in the Supreme Court.
A loss of all reproductive rights for women, just as a starter. Next, I'm guessing, effectively closing down any news media not sufficiently fawning Trump. Then, kicking out the 44 million illegals in the country (according to our local expert), most of whom are not quite white enough. There is obviously the climate thing. And one may see most universities being closed down, or at least defunded (which is another word for being closed down) on account that they don't educate people who vote correctly ("I love the uneducated!"). Jeff Sessions will make sure that anybody of his kind will be free to carry and use assault weapons as needed. The list goes on...  
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 6:15 am

I didn't bother to read your whole post, but Sylvi Listhaug (who is no longer the immigration minister, resigning under pressure from, well, everybody else) is Norway's Stephen Miller, only slightly more visible. And perhaps a tad more anti-muslim, but now we are splitting hairs.
I take offense at you slandering Stephen Miller by accusing him of being America's Sylvi Listhaug. She is a white supremacist and you are trying to normalize her by likening her to a mainstream politiician. That makes you a white supremacist apologist and sympathizer, if not a full-blown white supremacist. As for Sylvi Listhaug, when you say she resigned "under pressure from, well, everybody else," that's a half-truth. The remarks I quoted earlier were made in 2016 when she was  Minister of Immigration and Integration, a newly formed cabinet position under the Ministry of Justice and Public Security.
Minister of Integration?? Again with the white supremacicts saying that their culture is the only one acceptable. That post needs to be eliminated and replaced with a Minister of Diversity and Multiculturalism.
Anyhoo, back to the plot. Having made the remarks in 2016, she stayed in the position until 2018 when she was promoted to become Minister of Justice, Public Security and Immigration.  Two months later, in March 2018, she resigned following some remarks on Facebook when one of the parties in the governing coalition threatened to vote against the government.

I looked her up in wiki (I'm surprised she has an English entry)
Minister of Immigration
On 16 December 2015 Listhaug was appointed Minister of Immigration and Integration, a newly formed cabinet position under the Ministry of Justice and Public Security, amid the European migrant crisis and record-high numbers of asylum seekers in Norway that resulted in a broad parliamentary agreement to tighten asylum regulations.
"broad parliamentary agreement" would mean that just about everyone in parliament wanted to tighten asylum regulations so that fewer (brown and black) people would be granted asylum. Again with the white supremacy.
The month prior to her appointment Listhaug criticised what she described as a "tyranny of goodness" haunting the Norwegian immigration debate, and that it would be more Christian and reasonable to help as many people as possible through foreign aid to refugees abroad rather than aiding fewer and more costly asylum seekers in Norway.
At which point she was fired? Of course not. The majority of Norwegians agreed with her. They must be white supremacists like her.
Back to the plot
She later vowed that her proposed asylum regulations would make Norway's asylum policies "one of the strictest in Europe".
And far tougher than the regulations in the US, one might add.  Got to keep those brown and black people out of Norway
The first four months of 2016 saw asylum applications in Norway drop to its lowest levels since 1993, with only about 250 new applications each month. The reduction resulted in at least kr 800 million (US$100 million) being saved in direct asylum reception costs alone in the revised annual state budget, amid budget strains due to the low oil price. Listhaug has since called for further immigration and asylum restrictions to be implemented.
What? They've already got some of the most restrictive immigration and asylum regulations in Europe (and far tougher than the US) and she wants to make them even more restrictive? I'm sure the people of Norway rose up in anger at that? Vive la resistance? Of course not. The majority of Norwegians agreed with her. They must be white supremacists like her.
Opinion polls consistently showed Listhaug to have the highest approval rating of all government ministers from her party, and several others. In September 2016, a poll showed that 59% of Norway's population approved of her work on immigration, with less than a quarter disapproving.
So less than a quarter disapproved of "her work on immigration." Three-quarters of Norwegians must be white supremacists like her.
In August 2017, a row took place between Listhaug and Sweden's political establishment after Listhaug planned a visit to the Swedish suburb of Rinkeby in the context of the country's vulnerable areas, sometimes dubbed "no-go zones", having warned during her time as minister about the need to avoid "Swedish conditions" in Norway. Although meeting with other Swedish officials, Sweden's Minister for Migration Heléne Fritzon cancelled her scheduled meeting with Listhaug, saying she would not be part of an "election campaign" in the run-up to the Norwegian parliamentary election in September.
So the Norwegians might be white supremacists but the Swedes aren't
If I were Prime Minister of Norway, I would have fired her for insulting Norway's Swedish friends (if I hadn't already fired her a dozen times over for the other white supremacist remarks she had made). But I'm not Prime Minister of Norway, and the actual Prime Minister of Norway promoted her instead, no doubt congratulating her on a job well done.

On to her promotion and downfall.
Minister of Justice
After securing renewed support for the centre-right coalition in the 2017 parliamentary election, Listhaug was appointed Minister of Justice, Public Security and Immigration in January 2018, absorbing her former cabinet position following a government re-shuffle.
In March 2018 Listhaug posted a Facebook message claiming that the Labour Party "cares more about the rights of terrorists than national security" following disagreement on a parliamentary vote about whether the state should be able to withdraw the citizenship of threats to national security. After insisting for several days amid criticism that no apology was warranted other than stating regret if offending anyone, the government led by Prime Minister Solberg, and eventually Listhaug herself apologised for the post in parliament. As Listhaug's initial apology was considered "not good enough" by Labour leader Jonas Gahr Støre, this caused the opposition, including Labour and the Centre Party to state their support for a motion of no confidence pushed by the Red Party. The day before the vote on 20 March, the Christian Democrats also concluded they would support the motion, thereby indicating a parliamentary majority for the motion of no confidence. While retaining the full support of the Prime Minister who was prepared to put the whole cabinet up for a vote of confidence as a last resort, Listhaug resigned herself in the morning before the parliamentary session.
So throughout it all, the white supremacist Justice and Immigration Minister retained the support of the white supremacist Prime Minister, and no doubt the support of the majority of the white supremacist Norwegian people

No wonder they wore those Nazi sweaters (Tyr rune) during the Olympics.
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 7:43 am

What is the worst case scenario for your daughters, bearish? If it's about abortion, all states are never going to ban it. And the demographic changes are going to destroy the white dominance anyway, regardless of who sits in the Supreme Court.
A loss of all reproductive rights for women, just as a starter.
Wrong. As stated by ISM, if Roe were overturned, it just kicks the issue back to the states, as was the case before Roe. There's an obvious solution: call an Article V Convention of States and change the Constitution so that it actually contains a right to abortion, as opposed to claiming that someone discovered an emanation from a penumbra in the 1970s.
Next, I'm guessing, effectively closing down any news media not sufficiently fawning Trump.
You mean like labeling any pro-Trump news sources as "fake news"?
Or the oft-proposed "Hush Rush" law? Whereas the networks and mainstream media are predominantly liberal, talk radio is predominantly convervative and many on the left want a return to the "Fairness Doctrine" which was a de facto ban on on editorializing on the radio. Bring that back and you get rid of Rush, Hannity, Levine, Savage, Bill Cunningham, and the rest of conservative talk radio.
Then, kicking out the 44 million illegals in the country (according to our local expert), most of whom are not quite white enough.
I realize you're a white supremacist, but to the rest of us, their color is irrelevant. The problem is there's too many of them.
Norway has 15,000 illegal immigrants and is hunting them down with a vengeance. If the US only had 15,000 illegals, no one would care about illegal immigration and there would be no need for a wall.
There is obviously the climate thing. And one may see most universities being closed down, or at least defunded (which is another word for being closed down) on account that they don't educate people who vote correctly ("I love the uneducated!").
"most universities closed down" is a lie
Universities are either funded at the state level or private.
With the exception of the 5 Service Academies (West Point, Annapolis, USAFA, USCGA, USMMA) and I believe one university for Native Americans run by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Even if all federal research funding (which is voted by Congress) were to stop, universities would be just fine.
Jeff Sessions will make sure that anybody of his kind will be free to carry and use assault weapons as needed. The list goes on...  
if you don't like guns, repeal the Second Amendment.  Call an Article V Convention of States and change the Constitution
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 7:38 pm

anyway, bearish, my suggestion would be that you tell your daughters the truth.
That President Trump ran promising to Make America Great Again, and delivered on that promise.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 8:08 pm

anyway, bearish, my suggestion would be that you tell your daughters the truth.
That President Trump ran promising to Make America Great Again, and delivered on that promise.
President, and Candidate, Trump promised so many things to so many people, I’ve been finding it difficult to keep track...
 
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June 29th, 2018, 10:03 pm

anyway, bearish, my suggestion would be that you tell your daughters the truth.
That President Trump ran promising to Make America Great Again, and delivered on that promise.
President, and Candidate, Trump promised so many things to so many people, I’ve been finding it difficult to keep track...
You're trying to portray the president as a typical politician
The reality of course is that president trump kept it simple because he wasn't financed by special interests
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 10:28 pm

I don't care a whit about what Trump says - it's mostly lies anyway. I do care deeply about what he and his henchmen do, and that is absolutely terrifying.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 10:59 pm

anyway, bearish, my suggestion would be that you tell your daughters the truth.
That President Trump ran promising to Make America Great Again, and delivered on that promise.
President, and Candidate, Trump promised so many things to so many people, I’ve been finding it difficult to keep track...
You're trying to portray the president as a typical politician
The reality of course is that president trump kept it simple because he wasn't financed by special interests
Just by foreign governments of countries where he runs his hotels.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 11:19 pm

President, and Candidate, Trump promised so many things to so many people, I’ve been finding it difficult to keep track...
You're trying to portray the president as a typical politician
The reality of course is that president trump kept it simple because he wasn't financed by special interests
Just by foreign governments of countries where he runs his hotels.
the reality of course is very different from your narrative
from another thread
Net worth

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... 662305002/

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.73)]According to Bloomberg, the biggest blow to Trump assets came from two neighboring Manhattan buildings: Trump Tower and 6 E. 57th St. The Trump Organization's golf course declined in value by $70 million.[/color]

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.73)]Trump Soho is now called the 'Dominick'..[/color]
cuch makes an excellent point: running for and becoming president has cost President Trump an awful lot of money.
The president reportedly spent $66M of his own money on the campaign.
Since he threw his hat into the ring, and the more so since he ascended to the presidency, President Trump's properties in predominantly Democratic areas such as New York City have seen a decline in business, because of the boycott by the "resistance."

You can't have it both ways.
If being president is costing President Trump $100M a year, that gives the lie to the slander that he became president to feather his own nest the way the Clinton crime family did.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 11:27 pm

You are funny in the way you seem to show great respect for the institution of the presidency. And then throw up all over Obama (the Kenyan muslim) and BJ Clinton (of the notorious crime family). So what is it? Does it mean something to be president of the US, or is it entirely about controlling who gets to fuck whom?
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

June 29th, 2018, 11:28 pm

anyway, bearish, my suggestion would be that you tell your daughters the truth.
That President Trump ran promising to Make America Great Again, and delivered on that promise.
President, and Candidate, Trump promised so many things to so many people, I’ve been finding it difficult to keep track...
You're trying to portray the president as a typical politician
The reality of course is that president trump kept it simple because he wasn't financed by special interests
I am not trying to portray anything or anyone...  I am simply making a factual statement.
As to what reality is, I guess you must be the expert to know with such certainty what actually took place.  I am in awe of your conviction.
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