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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 8:45 am

Johnson to tell EU the UK will pay €9bn of €41bn Brexit deal - report

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0825/1070767-brexit/

Does this mean he will renege on previous agreements with the ruling party?
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 12:41 pm

As the EU kept telling us, "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed". The divorce bill was part of the deal. If there's no deal, there's no deal. If the EU wants to see its billions, it has to agree to a deal with us. Simples!
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 4:13 pm

As the EU kept telling us, "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed". The divorce bill was part of the deal. If there's no deal, there's no deal. If the EU wants to see its billions, it has to agree to a deal with us. Simples!
Did they sign a sanity clause?
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If UK does not pay, then EU could request a sovereign default.
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 5:31 pm

From whom? This is not about bonds.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 7:19 pm

From whom? This is not about bonds.
Or breach of existing contracts.I would say EU gave UK funds to repair roads in the North East. It feels like a bond.

It's similar to saying you want to get rid of Good Friday/Belfast Agreement.
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 7:31 pm

Cuch dropped so much acid in the '60s that he sees dimensions that no one else sees!
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 7:46 pm

I think the issue of the exit bill will not go away with a no deal crash-out (the "do and die" scenario). Come early November, there will be a rather desperate need for a whole range of deals and agreements, and one can be reasonably sure that the EU will not have forgotten about it. To the extent that sovereign nations can make legal commitments to other states, it would seem that the UK has made a bunch of them to the EU, but some are undoubtedly more robust and endurable than others. You'll need a lot of popcorn for the full-length version!
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 8:09 pm

Cuch dropped so much acid in the '60s that he sees dimensions that no one else sees!
I didn't live in London in the 60s. The only acid we got our hands on was from test tubes.Paul missed the 60s by a few years.

What Paul is saying is that he agrees with me. 

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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 8:18 pm

I think the issue of the exit bill will not go away with a no deal crash-out (the "do and die" scenario). Come early November, there will be a rather desperate need for a whole range of deals and agreements, and one can be reasonably sure that the EU will not have forgotten about it. To the extent that sovereign nations can make legal commitments to other states, it would seem that the UK has made a bunch of them to the EU, but some are undoubtedly more robust and endurable than others. You'll need a lot of popcorn for the full-length version!
It will be tit for tat.It will take forever. Yuge delays. Like Wagner operas, thrilling overtures and mind-numbing half-hours. It will be a winter of our discontent. At least Christmas will  be a welcome interlude.
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 25th, 2019, 9:18 pm

As the saying goes, what is tat, and where can I get me some?
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 26th, 2019, 7:31 am

"It will be over by Christmas"
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 26th, 2019, 11:17 pm

I tend to agree. The remaining question is "Christmas of what year?"
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 27th, 2019, 12:07 am

For starters, any post-no-deal Brexit trade agreement with the EU needs to be separately ratified by 27 different national assemblies. Some of whom are likely to harbor real or imagined grievances and grudges against the UK. And, in case you thought the WTO would be the savior, that organization is currently being savaged by Trump, so good luck with that!
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 27th, 2019, 12:31 am

And europhiles say it takes 10 years to negotiate a trade deal (see Canada). No, it takes the EU 10 years to do anything. Should never have joined.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

August 27th, 2019, 1:04 am

I'd tend to agree with that. The services of Dr Dan Streetmentioner would be of great value in this regard. This is probably also the right time to suggest abandoning the grammatical term "future perfect", because that seems pretty unlikely.
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