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Re: FIVE hundred years from now: can you predict the Software Landscape in anno 2525?

February 25th, 2024, 1:40 pm

Few data scientists at work claim that Julia is going to replace Python (soon :))
I briefly looked at Julia docs and didn't like it, so I can't see why it will happen. I'm curious if anybody here uses Julia.  
I've been hearing that Julia will replace Python since Julia came out. :) 
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February 25th, 2024, 7:52 pm

Julia is just another (quiche) language. It is #34 in the TIOBE index (Python is #1).

It takes a certain kind of mindset to like it 1) for those who hate C++ (**** the begrudgers), 2) Python is too ugly, 3) its perceived "elegance". For incidenal coders who write snippets, it could be useful.

Big companies with big budgets seem to like it, ASML, NASA, MIS etc. It's got a scientifiic bent.

For the miners at coal-face, very few traces of Julia I would reckon.

C++ is top of the heap. 

We have a new book coming out related to this. The future is language interop, but I could be wrong.
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February 26th, 2024, 6:43 pm

Is Nvidia the new Cisco?

The Internet Protocol (IP) became widely adopted in the mid-to-late 1990s.[29] Cisco introduced products ranging from modem access shelves (AS5200) to core GSR routers, making them a major player in the market.[29] In late March 2000, at the height of the dot-com bubble, Cisco became the most valuable company in the world, with a market capitalization of more than $500 billion.[5][30] As of July 2014, with a market cap of about US$129 billion,[31] it was still one of the most valuable companies.[32]
 
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February 26th, 2024, 7:36 pm

Is Nvidia the new Cisco?

The Internet Protocol (IP) became widely adopted in the mid-to-late 1990s.[29] Cisco introduced products ranging from modem access shelves (AS5200) to core GSR routers, making them a major player in the market.[29] In late March 2000, at the height of the dot-com bubble, Cisco became the most valuable company in the world, with a market capitalization of more than $500 billion.[5][30] As of July 2014, with a market cap of about US$129 billion,[31] it was still one of the most valuable companies.[32]
No I don't think it is. AI is going through its "disruptive" phase at the moment. New GPU chip entrants will come on the market flooding supply and forcing the price down eventually. Might take some time to get there but it's not a simple game. Cloud vendors will look for more GPU supply if more training requirements happens. 

Saying that, if OpenAI go through a load of legal cases and MSFT back off with Mistral (ie, that's already happening). Then AI could go off the boil and we hit another AI winter. 

Right now I'm more bothered about inference on CPU to keep the costs down, this is the area to look at for the long term. Training on GPU and inference on CPU. 
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February 27th, 2024, 12:04 am

No I don't think it is. AI is going through its "disruptive" phase at the moment.

And probably burning development budget$ fast!
That's what happened around 2000, the time of the demise of Intelligent Agents (we did a bit of prototyping), IA wasn't there. Then came 9/11..
Still, it was a bridge too far..but BDI sounded very plausible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief%E2 ... ware_model

Can ChatGPT be accused of being an intelligent agent?

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February 27th, 2024, 12:34 am

Predicting again:  In 1982 the West got scared

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Gen ... er_Systems

The future was concurrent Prolog .. so naive.
 
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February 27th, 2024, 6:34 am

Can ChatGPT be accused of being an intelligent agent?
As it stands, no definitely not. With the addition of long term short memory network then it could but it would be ropey at best. 

Interesting to see BDI model, Denise Shull pointed me in the direction of a paper when we were talking about belief/desire outcomes from LLMs. GPT, to me, is a plausibility engine at best. It's very good but it makes plenty of errors, they all do. 
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February 27th, 2024, 10:14 am

I liked the  BDI idea. Pity it did not pick up. For us,KQML was difficult.
I think BDI goes beyond just "simple" CS.
We made some prototypes for mobile agents in .NET, i.e. a proces that packs up and moves to another computer and lives there.
 
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February 27th, 2024, 10:57 am

BDI works out nicely into a Bayesian Network model though:

P(BD,A,O,R0,R1)∝P(R1B,D,A,OP(R0B,D,AP(AB,DP(BD),
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February 27th, 2024, 4:05 pm

As Nvidia hits $2 trillion, billionaire Marc Rowan’s asset manager Apollo calls AI a ‘bubble’ worse than even the dotcom era

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February 27th, 2024, 9:43 pm

This guy is away with the fairies.

 
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February 27th, 2024, 10:44 pm

Oh don't get me started on all of this. I did a few panels on this kind of thing last year. Unless you're doing Java or Python then Co-Pilot is a junior to average coder at best. 
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March 2nd, 2024, 10:53 am

Oh don't get me started on all of this. I did a few panels on this kind of thing last year. Unless you're doing Java or Python then Co-Pilot is a junior to average coder at best. 
And now they want AI in schools.
Road to nowhere.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0302/1435504-education-ai/
 
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March 2nd, 2024, 11:57 am

And now they want AI in schools.
Road to nowhere.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0302/1435504-education-ai/
Well that's a bad idea full stop. Stop making sense.... ;)
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March 19th, 2024, 11:20 am

Is deep learning defunct as an idea?