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September 21st, 2018, 10:45 am

I tried this before, some years ago, and naturally it went Off, which is fine.  Then it went Off Off and stayed there. Which is also fine, I guess... Haha.

It takes a lot of work to keep some things on track!

However, it is worth another try. The focus is on women in finance and technology, whether they are working for large companies or tiny start-ups.

Several observations and a few links for now, then a busy weekend, but will revisit this again soon.

The main thing to building a business, besides a good CV, your expertise, staying current in your field, and having relevant examples of your past work is to get out there. Go to events and *listen*, ask people about their work, and above all keep your ego in check. There are always people with more expertise than you have, believe it or not, so consider being quiet and absorbing information for awhile. I always listen more than I speak and it serves me well. : ) 

I also recommend volunteering, to a point.  Don't get too caught up in it or spend too much time, as time is money. But there is a vibrant and growing community around helping grade school and high school girls learn how to code, for example. Your peers will be other teachers/mentors and helping young people is very rewarding. (Never mind making cynical comments about the ghetto of tech etc. - for some people the first step towards earning a living after high school and college is a really positive thing.) When I volunteer, I work to fit into the organization and i stay very low key; I'm not there to run the show, I'm there to roll up my sleeves and help.

So, ladies, leave the comfort of your couch or your office for awhile and see what is going on. : )

Just a few selections for now.

Women in Tech - Meetups London Listings

Women Who Code

Code First Girls - UK

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September 21st, 2018, 11:27 am

Finance and Technology Women — or, more snappily, FaT Chicks.
 
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September 21st, 2018, 11:31 am

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Finance and Technology Women — or, more snappily, FaT Chicks.

LOL! Thanks Boorish.  :D
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September 21st, 2018, 11:56 am

I can belong to the club of the two of us. As for the nowadays fashionable women equality initiatives, nothing kicked me in the arse and sabotaged my career so much as dishonest, manipulative and corrupt whores (often literally), constantly yapping about women rights to cover their glaring shortcoming as professionals.
 
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September 21st, 2018, 12:06 pm

I understand what you are talking about and have observed such situations as well. So it adds another feature to the landscape.

I am particularly careful with non-profits and volunteering.  It is one thing to donate time and energy to good and interesting causes; it's another thing to be drained by vampires. :D

So, you have to keep track of your hours, for your own accounting purposes.  And also consider: is the organization healthy and thriving, or dysfunctional and full of infighting? Are you a respected contributor, or just slave labor?

I'm not hypersensitive and I can tolerate a considerable amount of flexibility in role and dynamics because they can change so much within a group - people come and go and you are also getting some useful insight on organizational and managerial behavior, good and bad. 

But if things settle into a really consistent negative groove that way and the bright side recedes too much, it's time to keep moving.

Whether one is volunteering or getting paid for work, it is good to keep Gladiator (and Machiavelli) in mind. ; )

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One last note on that - sometimes I have had to cut back on the non-profit work because things got too busy with clients.  I just give advance notice when I see that on the near horizon and I try not to inconvenience the groups where I have been donating time.  This happened with a horse-related organization one time, where my work was important to a particular initiative, and it happened with a museum another time.  We set up a plan, I pushed some work along a bit faster before I left, and in one case I happened to find a replacement for myself. Neither place missed a beat when I left.  Then when I had some free time again, I was able to rejoin the effort.

It has to be understood that way by both sides, or else volunteering is a non-starter.
(Recently, I had to "clear the deck" completely even of my favorite projects, because this economy is very hot and who knows how long it will last.  The next financial crash will be fearsome...)

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and now I really am off to the Mountain.  Have a good day! :)
 
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September 21st, 2018, 1:09 pm

To be honest, I think I personally profit from volunteering at least as much as those whom I help, and it's not only in emotional aspects. It gives me the sense of stability and satisfaction, which I need so much in my life. I don't feel like I sacrifice something.

Satisfaction from work and accomplishment is another kind of positive experience, but it feels different than the above. I don't bring my feelings and emotions to work, because I cannot function at the same time in those two worlds ("socialising in the workplace" is the form of workforce abuse for people like I). For example, now I'm working on a project with my long-time friend, and some time after we started I had to draw the line between our friendship and the work relation. The nice thing about him is that he's very smart and I never have to repeat twice.

Enjoy the mountains! (I guess it's yet another kind of positive emotions.)
 
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September 21st, 2018, 1:35 pm

Indeed!

Beautiful mist here - maybe rain maybe not...but the town is also great if the long hike becomes impractical.

Enjoy your weekend!
 
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September 23rd, 2018, 2:01 am

Trackstar, do you think it's proper (and safe) to name this thread like that? :-) Paul and all men here are married.

Apropos my journal refereeing (or "charity", as Collector called it), I've just finished reading the final revision of the paper I cried over so much in the rants thread and now it's brill! A piece of decent and useful job they've done with a little help from an anonymous fairy :D Now I can go to sleep. Shower, or not to shower, that is the question...
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September 23rd, 2018, 4:55 am

The wives and significant others of Wilmott Forum are welcome on this thread.  Just think - if all of them saw this invitation and became members, it would nearly double the size of the community. 

(And maybe the conversation would take on some new directions, leaving the Tramp Presidency behind.)

A bath before bed is even better, after hard mental or physical labor.  Especially with your choice of soothing herbal salts. 

My sister and I make our own, but there are many to choose from on the market as well.

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September 23rd, 2018, 1:43 pm

trackstar wrote:
The wives and significant others of Wilmott Forum are welcome on this thread.  Just think - if all of them saw this invitation and became members, it would nearly double the size of the community. 

Double the size?
Doesn't it go something like....
E[partners for a risk manager] ~ 1
E[partners for a quant] << 1
E[partners for a trader] > 1
 
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September 23rd, 2018, 1:51 pm

tw wrote:
trackstar wrote:
The wives and significant others of Wilmott Forum are welcome on this thread.  Just think - if all of them saw this invitation and became members, it would nearly double the size of the community. 

Double the size?
Doesn't it go something like....
E[partners for a risk manager] ~ 1
E[partners for a quant] << 1
E[partners for a trader] > 1

Paul shares his wife with another men and Collector has a harem? I don't know who's a risk manager in our crowd, but I'd assume the number depends on their risk aversion.
 
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September 23rd, 2018, 2:55 pm

I think, tw, you could do a great financial sociological study, with further segmentation, including, but not limited to:

- quant devs
- quant strats
- heads of quant research
- quant managing directors
- founders of quant hedge funds
- quant head hunters
- even further broken down into front, middle and back office quants...

There are many members here who never participate.  But this may a good place for recruiting, networking, and also seeing who not to recruit...

So we should be considerate of others and reflect on what we may be doing to ourselves when we post here...

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With ~1, <<1, >1, and >>1 in mind, I welcome all former wives, significant others, muses, and just plain friends of quants to this thread.

Now back to the misty mountains for me - so quiet and peaceful up here.  

Enjoy your Sundays, respectively - First Day of Fall now.

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September 23rd, 2018, 3:05 pm

tw wrote:
trackstar wrote:
The wives and significant others of Wilmott Forum are welcome on this thread.  Just think - if all of them saw this invitation and became members, it would nearly double the size of the community. 

Double the size?
Doesn't it go something like....
E[partners for a risk manager] ~ 1
E[partners for a quant] << 1
E[partners for a trader] > 1

I worked with a trader once who was dating two chicks at the same time, man.
 
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September 23rd, 2018, 5:51 pm

"With ~1, <<1, >1, and >>1 in mind, I welcome all former wives, significant others, muses, and just plain friends of quants to this thread."

Sounds like the beginning of a Tarantino-style movie...
 
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September 23rd, 2018, 7:18 pm

katastrofa wrote:
"With ~1, <<1, >1, and >>1 in mind, I welcome all former wives, significant others, muses, and just plain friends of quants to this thread."

Sounds like the beginning of a Tarantino-style movie...

If the Forum expansion were made into a film, I would envision a blend of three of my favorites:

My Dinner with Andre (Malle) - The people: long sequences of dialogue and interesting stories, with objective focus on the interaction between participants.

Solaris (Tarkovsky) - The environment: a weird virtual world, with hints of a strangely aware and sentient cosmos all around.

Chocolat (Hallestrom) - The food: the action would revolve around food that would be beautiful, delicious, and transformative, quietly created behind the scenes with warmth and care by a chocolate aficionado and vegetarian specialist. ; )

No bloodshed whatsoever. Everyone dines to their heart's content, talks until there is nothing more to say, and goes home fulfilled.  

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