How should we deal with the coronavirus pandemic?

Paul · March 18th, 2020, 8:20 am

Tens of thousands of old people in the UK could die alone and in filth, just because they are isolated.

Can those recovered from the virus not be mobilized? In the hope that they aren’t infectious.

Cuchulainn · March 18th, 2020, 11:19 am

"Cabin fever "

my father published two short stories directly related to cabin fever, very bizarre and unexpected twist in both of them, both stories from his time alone or on one trip with his boss in one of the most rural areas of Svalbard: Nordaustlandet. They also had to shoot a polar bear in self defense on that trip, and if in addition what he wrote actually where true, then one of them was very lucky to survive the cabin fever.

Terningkast at Amazon.com

On one ski trip to Skeikampen we stayed in a very small cabin and it felt a bit like that.

Collector · March 18th, 2020, 1:45 pm

"Can those recovered from the virus not be mobilized? In the hope that they aren’t infectious." can't they test it by PCR, if shredding viruses? This would make much sense to find out. Then more and more people could within weeks be mobilized and keep society going. Farmers need also mobilization, young people that know how to drive tractors and such.

Well here even people almost for sure infected cannot get the test. One women here now where her husband was positive and are sure she got it based on quite strong symptoms is refused to get test. Free test here yes, but the non-test is not that accurate!

Farmers in Norway now think food production this year could be harmed considerably, many workers helping on farms especially spring have been coming from abroad, now not allowed to enter country (and most Norwegians will not get their hands dirty, they think food is coming from FB by likes). In addtion if 10% to 20% of farmers lay sick during the spring there could indeed be considerably drop in production. Happened in 1918, why could it not happen again?

So good to gain 10kg in cabin fever now and take it off in the fall?

Paul · March 18th, 2020, 3:11 pm

The young who have had the virus can then look after their grandparents rather than the other way around.

Paul · March 18th, 2020, 3:46 pm

I see that finally people are talking about staggered deliberate infection of the young healthy. About time. There’ll be very few deaths and gives an opportunity for gaining valuable info.

Of course it won’t happen even if it’s a good idea because Twitter will stop it.

Austriarian · March 18th, 2020, 4:38 pm

You must be kind of empathetic too (distinct from just sympathetic).

Do both of you play chess or poker and have time to hang out? If so, that might help, if you are inclined. Not saying this in any risqué way either.

She needs to think about something else besides virus news.

I've tuned out for a day or two (for the most part) and am focusing on other things like painting, spring gardening plans, and my fairly large never-watched DVD collection. I keep an eye on useful news and stats, but you can't just sit there hovering over the news cycle all day long.

Best of luck to you and your roommate.

That's a good idea, I think we might even have time to fit in a whole game of risk! (catan would be better though)

The low information diet is smart. Time to bring out some french novels, make some homemade sourdough, and play houseplant.

Best of luck to you and yours as well!

Cuchulainn · March 18th, 2020, 5:13 pm

I have 10 hazel trees to plant tomorrow.

some french novels,
Sartre??

katastrofa · March 18th, 2020, 5:34 pm

I see that finally people are talking about staggered deliberate infection of the young healthy. About time. There’ll be very few deaths and gives an opportunity for gaining valuable info.

Of course it won’t happen even if it’s a good idea because Twitter will stop it.

That's absurd. We already have lots of infections in young healthy people. Why not deliberately infecting children? It could reveal more useful information, because they develop unusually mild symptoms and don't spread much, from what I've read.

Paul · March 18th, 2020, 5:44 pm

I don't know how much info they have about transmission, reinfection, etc. There seems to be a lot of confusion, perhaps because of the random behaviour of infections. Being systematic then within a couple of weeks they ought to be able to get a lot more information in order to make better decisions.

I'm not young (but not too unhealthy), but I'd volunteer for being infected. I'm less worried about getting the virus than I am about accidentally passing it on to someone vulnerable.

Collector · March 18th, 2020, 8:19 pm

Complete Genome Sequence of a 2019 Novel Coronavirus

katastrofa · March 19th, 2020, 1:26 am

Divorce rate spikes across China after 'couples spend too much time together during coronavirus home quarantine',

when second C-19 wave comes it will be massive upturn for online divorce service companies. A C-19 free divorce!
My wife and I have worked at home for decades. We are used to being on top of each other.

Online divorce, no comment!
We have worked in offices, ships, cottages and two-story houses down the years. I prefer the kitchen.

We've been always choosing spaces with a large lounge so that we can comfortably spend all time together (working in silence or not). You just like each other or not - I only don't understand why people get married in the second case. Soon they'll be able to undo the mistake with a no fault divorce (it's going through the Parliament right now).

katastrofa · March 19th, 2020, 1:27 am

My friend suggested another (better?) indicator for mortality rate - based on closed cases. It may be more informative in a situation when the disease proceeds faster than recedes, so to speak. It removes the uncertainty of the ongoing cases.

Paul · March 19th, 2020, 3:27 am

Kat, growth rate of deaths versus population density?

katastrofa · March 19th, 2020, 4:00 am

That should look scary too! I'll do this in the evening.

BTW, looking at London with its 3 times denser population that the most affected regions of Italy, we are doing well. I won't be surprised if they implement a curfew, though.

Cuchulainn · March 19th, 2020, 7:36 pm

A letter from Italy

"60% of the population will have to contract Covid19 to develop herd immunity." These are the words of one of the highest health authorities in Boris Johnson's sovereign government. The practice is obscene: Darwinically, people are allowed to be infected. The weak die. The strong survive. At the cost of hundreds of thousands of victims, mass immunity from the virus develops. You have to shudder. Really. So let us look at this barbarity, this monstrosity, and reason about one thing: that we are in Italy. So many of those times we have said or heard about how things are better abroad. In Italy, on the other hand, with all our limitations, we will never get to such an aberration. And we are proving this even now, with hundreds of thousands of people fighting like lions to snatch the most fragile of our compatriots to death. This is demonstrated by the testimonies of enormous solidarity on the part of everyone, doctors and health workers who have not slept for days. Let's think about it. Long remember that when outside Italy we thought about sacrificing the weakest to save the strong, here the strong made 12 hours of consecutive shifts to save the weak. And back, to be proud of our country.

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