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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

June 14th, 2020, 10:13 pm

The concept of salmon lungs pretty much sums up this story and related commentary.
 
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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

June 15th, 2020, 12:23 am

Never say never, especially when it's about gammel Moder Jord.

Little is known about the likely more abundant than in mammals families of viruses in fish:
"Within vertebrates, there has been a marked sampling bias towards mammals and birds, even though they represent only a small proportion of total vertebrate diversity. Far less is known about those viruses infecting fish, amphibians and reptiles, despite their abundance, phenotypic diversity and central role in vertebrate evolution."

According to the current scientific knowledge:
"there is no evidence of fish viruses causing human disease or establishing a productive infection, which largely reflects the phylogenetic distance between fish and humans, along with major differences in cell types and cell receptors. However, the frequency with which plant viruses are found in human faecal samples provides compelling evidence for the passive transmission of viruses through food (Chau et al. 2017) and the consumption of raw fish has been associated with bacterial (group B Streptococcus) disease in humans (Zhang et al. 2006; Tan et al. 2016)."
(So, even if you can't get coronavirus from fish (yet?), sushi can increase the risk of pneumonia, which will finish you off.)

What's been found so far sounds like "why not" (the first linked article):
"In total, we identified 214 distinctive and previously undescribed putative viral species of vertebrates, of which 196 can be considered vertebrate-specific (Fig. 1b, Supplementary Table 2). Hence, these data reveal that RNA viruses are present in greater numbers and diversity in vertebrates other than birds and mammals than previously realized (Fig. 1c). In particular, it was notable that every vertebrate-specific viral family or genus known to infect mammals and birds is also present in amphibians, reptiles or fish (Fig. 1d). For most of the families or genera, the previously known hosts were either mammals (the Arteriviridae, Filoviridae, Hantaviridae and rubivirus) or mammals, birds and reptiles (Arenaviridae, Astroviridae, Bornaviridae, Coronavirinae, influenza virus and rotavirus). This is the first time, to our knowledge, that these viral groups have been identified in fish and/or amphibians (Fig. 1d). Particularly notable was the presence of divergent members of the Arenaviridae, Filoviridae and Hantaviridae families in ray-finned fish, suggesting that these previously mammal-dominated groups have relatives in aquatic vertebrates (Fig. 2). [...] Of particular note was influenza virus, for which we documented new viruses in jawless fish (hagfish), amphibians (Asiatic toad) and ray-finned fish (spiny eel), with the latter forming a sister-group to human influenza B virus (Fig. 2)."
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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

June 15th, 2020, 12:27 am

I'm pretty sure Norwegian salmon has chlamydia, though. Helgefyl-laks! ;-)
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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

June 15th, 2020, 7:09 am

good they did not also test the fish (card boards ) for that, amazing what people can do in fish packing facilities when they get bored.

Hidden diversity and evolution of viruses in market fish

"Although this initial study focused on only four fish species commonly sold in markets, we identified twelve potentially unknown viruses, and found examples of likely novel viruses in every species sampled. Since the species analysed were market-bought rather than being directly sampled during fishing trips, it is possible that we missed those viruses with short intra-host durations of infection or those at very low abundance. However, that we found viruses in all species sampled provides further support for the proposition that fish harbour a very large number of diverse viruses (Lauber et al. 2017; Shi et al. 2018) that will gradually be revealed with more extensive sampling. Finally, these data show that fish species commonly sold as food may contain a wide range of fish viruses (many unknown), although the major differences in virus biology mean that they likely pose no risk for cross-species transmission to humans."
 
 
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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

June 16th, 2020, 6:38 pm

British scientists make a "major breakthrough":
Coronavirus: 'Major breakthrough' as UK scientists find £5 steroid cuts COVID-19 deaths 
In essence, they found that a corticosteroid stops the cytokine storm due to covid.

Interestingly, a couple of months ago caution was advised by Chinese researchers:
https://www.journalofinfection.com/arti ... 2/fulltext
 
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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

June 16th, 2020, 7:02 pm

Just make sure you've offspringed before steroid intake. 

Beat the drums,Boris?

What's so special? Steroids were _always_ used for respiratory problems.
 
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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

June 16th, 2020, 7:38 pm

I'm pretty sure Norwegian salmon has chlamydia, though. Helgefyl-laks! ;-)
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Where did it all go wrong? in the old days it was called the humble 'Clap'.

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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

June 16th, 2020, 8:13 pm

Just make sure you've offspringed before steroid intake. 

Beat the drums,Boris?

What's so special? Steroids were _always_ used for respiratory problems.
It's cheap and widely available. Doesn't matter it has lethal side effects. Just like the mindless intubation.
 
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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

June 27th, 2020, 9:28 am

Get ready for the Long Haul.
 
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Re: Bad things that come out of this pandemic

July 4th, 2020, 4:16 pm

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