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### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold!

reading the legislation tells me that it seems to be a half-truth not a "no" because there are fines but the fines apply to the supplier not the householder
There's a paragraph (paragraph (a)) omitted in the article

So it seems that the answer is that it's not against the law in California for one person to shower and so laundry on the same day, but it is against the law in California for everyone in the water district (or whatever you call it)  to shower and so laundry on the same day, because that would trigger a fine against the supplier for exceeding the limits
The law says nothing about specific activities or combinations of activities.  It only specifies a daily limit of so many gallons per person per day (the limit starts at 55 gal/person/day).  And at the water supplier level, that would be the aggregate usage so the limit is actually for the per-person average rather than a prohibition that no one person can take a long shower and then go start the laundry.
which is what I said, "So it seems that the answer is that it's not against the law in California for one person to shower and so laundry on the same day, but it is against the law in California for everyone in the water district (or whatever you call it)  to shower and so laundry on the same day, because that would trigger a fine against the supplier for exceeding the limits"
And if a municipal water district has 100,000 people in it, the fine is a mere ten cents a day per person.

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### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold!

The law says nothing about specific activities or combinations of activities.  It only specifies a daily limit of so many gallons per person per day (the limit starts at 55 gal/person/day).  And at the water supplier level, that would be the aggregate usage so the limit is actually for the per-person average rather than a prohibition that no one person can take a long shower and then go start the laundry.
which is what I said, "So it seems that the answer is that it's not against the law in California for one person to shower and so laundry on the same day, but it is against the law in California for everyone in the water district (or whatever you call it)  to shower and so laundry on the same day, because that would trigger a fine against the supplier for exceeding the limits"
And if a municipal water district has 100,000 people in it, the fine is a mere ten cents a day per person.
And at the other extreme, there are rural water districts, many of which have less than 1,000 residents, mutual water systems, often run by a homeowners association, and even water systems run by mobile home parks. Currently, there are 467 mobile home parks operating public water systems in California, serving a combined population of 75,000. That averages out 160 people per system, or $62 a day per person if fined. ppauper Posts: 70239 Joined: November 15th, 2001, 1:29 pm ### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold! the move to divide california into 3 states is on hold as the state supreme court has taken the measure off the ballot. Not sure if they'll appeal this in the Federal courts, but even if they do, that would take years California Supreme Court blocks measure that would divide state in three from appearing on November ballot Splitting up California: State Supreme Court takes initiative off ballot ppauper Posts: 70239 Joined: November 15th, 2001, 1:29 pm ### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold! tagoma Posts: 18233 Joined: February 21st, 2010, 12:58 pm ### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold! The good, the bad, TV camera. Only explicit reference to the 2nd Amendment is missing and you've got here a good picture of America today. ppauper Posts: 70239 Joined: November 15th, 2001, 1:29 pm ### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold! the plan to separate CA into 3 new states is on hold A different effort is still under way for part of CA to secede Quixotic effort to secede California from U.S. to get reboot under the plan, the bulk of the state would become the independent California Republic while all federally owned land in California would be returned to Native Americans, creating an “autonomous Native American nation” running up and down California from the Mexico to Oregon borders. (snip) Because most of that land falls on the eastern, more conservative part of the state, one of the leaders of the group, Marcus Ruiz Evans, noted in a prepared statement that a side benefit would be to create a “buffer zone between Donald Trump's America and the new independent California Republic.” an "autonomous Native American nation" would be to the US as Greenland in to Denmark I'm not sure how it would work. Surely the federal lands are not contiguous, so there would be a lot of enclaves? Alan Posts: 9674 Joined: December 19th, 2001, 4:01 am Location: California Contact: ### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold! the plan to separate CA into 3 new states is on hold A different effort is still under way for part of CA to secede Quixotic effort to secede California from U.S. to get reboot under the plan, the bulk of the state would become the independent California Republic while all federally owned land in California would be returned to Native Americans, creating an “autonomous Native American nation” running up and down California from the Mexico to Oregon borders. (snip) Because most of that land falls on the eastern, more conservative part of the state, one of the leaders of the group, Marcus Ruiz Evans, noted in a prepared statement that a side benefit would be to create a “buffer zone between Donald Trump's America and the new independent California Republic.” an "autonomous Native American nation" would be to the US as Greenland in to Denmark I'm not sure how it would work. Surely the federal lands are not contiguous, so there would be a lot of enclaves? Based upon the map here, this would be a terrible idea. Much of the water needed by the coastal cities comes from the eastern half of the state. There's no way the California Republic would give that up. Water is a big deal in California: the definitive study. Collector Posts: 4116 Joined: August 21st, 2001, 12:37 pm ### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold! the plan to separate CA into 3 new states is on hold A different effort is still under way for part of CA to secede Quixotic effort to secede California from U.S. to get reboot under the plan, the bulk of the state would become the independent California Republic while all federally owned land in California would be returned to Native Americans, creating an “autonomous Native American nation” running up and down California from the Mexico to Oregon borders. (snip) Because most of that land falls on the eastern, more conservative part of the state, one of the leaders of the group, Marcus Ruiz Evans, noted in a prepared statement that a side benefit would be to create a “buffer zone between Donald Trump's America and the new independent California Republic.” an "autonomous Native American nation" would be to the US as Greenland in to Denmark I'm not sure how it would work. Surely the federal lands are not contiguous, so there would be a lot of enclaves? Based upon the map here, this would be a terrible idea. Much of the water needed by the coastal cities comes from the eastern half of the state. There's no way the California Republic would give that up. Water is a big deal in California: the definitive study. no great progress in desalination (get cost down dramatically) on the horizon? then the export could suddenly go west east... Cuchulainn Posts: 58401 Joined: July 16th, 2004, 7:38 am Location: Amsterdam Contact: ### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold! the plan to separate CA into 3 new states is on hold A different effort is still under way for part of CA to secede Quixotic effort to secede California from U.S. to get reboot under the plan, the bulk of the state would become the independent California Republic while an "autonomous Native American nation" would be to the US as Greenland in to Denmark I'm not sure how it would work. Surely the federal lands are not contiguous, so there would be a lot of enclaves? Based upon the map here, this would be a terrible idea. Much of the water needed by the coastal cities comes from the eastern half of the state. There's no way the California Republic would give that up. Water is a big deal in California: the definitive study. no great progress in desalination (get cost down dramatically) on the horizon? then the export could suddenly go west east... You need J.J. Gittes Collector Posts: 4116 Joined: August 21st, 2001, 12:37 pm ### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold! Based upon the map here, this would be a terrible idea. Much of the water needed by the coastal cities comes from the eastern half of the state. There's no way the California Republic would give that up. Water is a big deal in California: the definitive study. no great progress in desalination (get cost down dramatically) on the horizon? then the export could suddenly go west east... You need J.J. Gittes Megascale Desalination so soon we can double the population and make also Sahara green...The Green-Blue Planet! Alan Posts: 9674 Joined: December 19th, 2001, 4:01 am Location: California Contact: ### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold! no great progress in desalination (get cost down dramatically) on the horizon? then the export could suddenly go west east... Megascale Desalination so soon we can double the population and make also Sahara green...The Green-Blue Planet! Impressive. The article gives the capacity of that Storek plant as 627,000 cubic meters daily, which is 508 acre-feet. California's largest desalination plant in Carlsbad (about 50 miles south of me) produces up to 56,000 acre-feet yearly, so only 153 acre-feet daily. And, currently, it's very expensive water: The largest, by far, is a$1 billion plant on the coast in Carlsbad, 35 miles north of San Diego, that opened in 2015. The largest desalination plant in the United States, it generates up to 56,000 acre-feet of water a year — roughly 8 percent of San Diego County’s water supply. But the cost is high, from $2,131 to$2,367 an acre-foot, depending on how much is produced, which is double the price that Metropolitan Water District of Southern California charges for the same amount of water from other sources such as local dams, the Colorado River or the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta. By comparison, the Santa Clara Valley Water District in San Jose pays about $400 an acre foot for water from the Delta Wikipedia says Storek costs (less than)$0.40/cubic meter, so \$493 per acre-foot. If true, also impressive! Agree desalination will be more and more an important component in future. California is really just getting started in that technology: source here

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### Re: California: Here comes Ahnoooold!

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Sikh Man Attacked, Told To ‘Go Back To Your Country’ In Stanislaus County
Blue eyes peeking through black hoodies is what he saw. And as the beating continued his attackers shouted, “Go back to your country!”
(snip)
He’s a strong supporter of the Republican Party. The campaign signs he placed that night were for Congressman Jeff Denham and other members of the Stanislaus County GOP.
the comments seem to think it's antifa

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it seems to be open season on sikhs in CA: there's been another attack
Union City police chief's son accused of beating 71-year-old Sikh man
believe it or not, one of the perpetrators is the son of the police chief

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