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Re: Grammar Time!

November 20th, 2017, 11:43 pm

When it comes to hot topics in Grammar these days, maybe it is time to get back to basics. Let's take a philosophical approach.

First: Is there free will?

Second: Do we (can we) say what we really mean?

Third: Do we sometimes contradict our speaking selves with a) body language and b) actions?
I won't mention dress code because that is asking for trouble. 

Fourth: What do we mean by the following:

Yes
YES!!!
No
NO!!!
No, but thank you.
Absolutely not
Maybe (indefinite)
Maybe (definite: tomorrow, next week, next month...)
Maybe not
Hmmmm - let me think about it.

Consider also the cases of irony, sarcasm, cultural norms, gender biases, and just plain capriciousness.

Which philosophers have handled these types of questions to your satisfaction?
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 21st, 2017, 12:06 am

1) We sure think there is!

2) We don't say what we mean. We say what we think will cause the desired reaction in the audience.

3) Sarcasm, lying, and trolling show that we do contradict our speaking selves on a regular basis.

4) No answer is possible unless it's a "we" of one. Moreover, meaning even within one person is time varying.
 
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 21st, 2017, 10:43 am

Not so fast, hold your horses! Can we once and for all get the difference between ITS and IT'S.

We need ppauper to advise us here.
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 21st, 2017, 11:19 am

Cuchulainn wrote:
Not so fast, hold your horses! Can we once and for all get the difference between ITS and IT'S.

We need ppauper to advise us here.

one has an apostrophe, the other doesn't. Both are in upper case
 
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 21st, 2017, 11:27 am

ppauper wrote:
Cuchulainn wrote:
Not so fast, hold your horses! Can we once and for all get the difference between ITS and IT'S.

We need ppauper to advise us here.

one has an apostrophe, the other doesn't. Both are in upper case

I was more interested in the anthropologist's viewpoint, not morphology.
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 21st, 2017, 12:18 pm

As you know,  it’s is the contraction for it is or it has.

Its is the possessive form for the neuter case, similar to his or hers (or ours and theirs...)

That is the best way to remember it - his and hers have no apostrophe and people only get confused because proper name possessives do:

Cuchulainn’s book
Trackstar’s humor
Charlie’s bathrobe (well unfortunately I guess it’s invisible or maybe it lost its fluff.). :Q

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Re: Grammar Time!

November 21st, 2017, 12:33 pm

trackstar wrote:
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Charlie’s bathrobe (well unfortunately I guess it’s invisible or maybe it lost its fluff.). :Q

charlie rose?
The world has many surprises these days, but it’s not over yet!

and the bathrobe reminds us that surprises can be bad as well as good
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November 21st, 2017, 1:43 pm

I guess the qualities of surprises are in the eyes of the beholder.

On bathrobes, I have several - one is a deep turquoise thick cotton terry - classic - good year-round.  My favorite.

One is a fluffy pink terry - best in the cold weather and I look like cotton candy wrapped up in that. My cat's favorite. :)

One is a leopard print - very plush, but shorter than the others.  It looks great hanging on the back of the bedroom door. 

And there are others, tucked away in a trunk.

What does it have to do with Grammar?

A lot, I would say.  On the Grammatology of Night and Morning Wear. Everyone should have a few good bathrobes in his or her closet.

Very practical and good for philosophical deconstruction too.
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 21st, 2017, 2:50 pm

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And there are others, tucked away in a trunk.


you have a trunk?
The parents used to have one, locked away in their attic. Goodness knows what they ever used it for, and I never saw them use it at all. Crossing the atlantic on a steamer, maybe. Not something you can put in the back of the car or even take on a train. Too big.
 
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 21st, 2017, 4:03 pm

It's great to have a few antique cedar-lined trunks around - maybe in a spare room or the attic. Cedar smells wonderful to me, but moths do not like it at all.

Perfect for fine wools, cashmere, silk, and lace. I have a nice collection of things in the trunks here. 

This kind of trunk would be perfect for your slinky lingerie too. Most of them even have a padlock-friendly latch, so you can keep curious eyes out.  :)

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November 21st, 2017, 4:21 pm

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Re: Grammar Time!

November 26th, 2017, 1:50 pm

Ugandan-born John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York, is the second highest cleric in the Church of England

UK archbishop puts collar back on after Mugabe's fall

He added: "I promised when Mugabe goes I (would) put my collar on, so I have no choice but to put it back on. And Mugabe has gone but the new president has to remember something more new than simply stitching up a thing will work."


Any thoughts on that last sentence?
 
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 26th, 2017, 2:05 pm

I would recommend listening to some of the speeches in this archive - the cadence, tone, pronunciation, and sentence structure.

Clear, declarative, authoritative, human.

Winston Churchill Audio Archive - winstonchurchill.org

The sentence you list fails the Hemingway test in a number of ways as well.
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 26th, 2017, 11:27 pm

"when you look into your mathematicals"
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Re: Grammar Time!

November 26th, 2017, 11:39 pm

Cuchulainn wrote:
"when you look into your mathematicals"

"direct attention to all the radicals"
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