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mencey
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October 17th, 2006, 11:04 am

I think you guys got it wrong here. Global warmings does not mean that everywhere is going to be warm weather. In fact in Europe temperatures can go down considerably because global warmingThe explanation is as follows.....higher atmospheric temperatures melt the ice cap. Salinity in the ocean is diminished and therfore chaning ocean currents and wind regimes. That means that the gulf current that is currently warming climate in britain and northern europe can be diverted causing the UK having a climate similar to Alaska or northern Canada (simply have a look at the earth map and you will understand what I am saying)Think about a mega "el nino" with draught and floods.
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October 17th, 2006, 12:26 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperso...weather gets hotter: blame global warmingweather gets colder: blame global warmingdog farts: blame global warmingOK genius, explain this -Hottest Sptember in UK since when records began in 1659 !Climate change means more weather extremes you fool, i.e., hotter drier summers and cooler wetter winters... Thanks for the verification that global cooling really exists and is affecting the weather patterns as predicted.
 
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October 17th, 2006, 7:05 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperso...weather gets hotter: blame global warmingweather gets colder: blame global warmingdog farts: blame global warmingOK genius, explain this -Hottest Sptember in UK since when records began in 1659 !Climate change means more weather extremes you fool, i.e., hotter drier summers and cooler wetter winters... Thanks for the verification that global cooling really exists and is affecting the weather patterns as predicted.and September 2006 U.S. temperature 0.7 degrees BELOW 20th century average...
 
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October 17th, 2006, 9:39 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperso...weather gets hotter: blame global warmingweather gets colder: blame global warmingdog farts: blame global warmingOK genius, explain this -Hottest Sptember in UK since when records began in 1659 !Climate change means more weather extremes you fool, i.e., hotter drier summers and cooler wetter winters... Thanks for the verification that global cooling really exists and is affecting the weather patterns as predicted.You're twisted something bad. I guess there's something sadly tragic about witnessing a man's descent into insanity, even if it is on an Internet forum ...No logic left anymore, no friends, just a sad and lonely cut and paster.
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October 20th, 2006, 1:27 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperClimate change means more weather extremes you fool, i.e., hotter drier summers and cooler wetter winters... Thanks for the verification that global cooling really exists and is affecting the weather patterns as predicted.You're twisted something bad.how so ?you logic seems to be(more extremes) -> (climate change) -> (global warming).the same logic gives(more extremes) -> (climate change) -> (global cooling).More extremes mean at most increased volatility if anything, and maybe not even that: it might just be a reflection of a letting a random walk progress for a longer period: a random walk with zero drift will likely hit new highs and lows periodically.
 
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October 20th, 2006, 1:30 pm

David Bellamy is now one of the good guys:Bellamy warms to scientists' scepticism on climate changeInternationally renowned environmental campaigner Professor David Bellamy has joined the New Zealand group of scientists trying to refute what they believe are unfounded claims about man-made global warming.Dr Bellamy, who joins scientists such as former MetService chief meteorologist Dr Augie Auer in the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, was introduced to the group through a member in England.The coalition has set down "seven pillars of climate wisdom" that include:* Historically, conditions in many parts of the world have been warmer and cooler than they are now.* A major driver of climate change is variability in solar effects, such as sunspot cycles, and not increased carbon dioxide.* Global temperatures have not increased and a projection of solar cycles suggest cooling could set in and continue to about 2030.* Stories of impending climate disaster are based almost entirely on global climate models.Dr Bellamy said: "I look forward to working with the New Zealanders to create an international coalition to serve as a united voice for the many scientists around the world who believe climate science is not settled, that the world is not on the brink of a man-made global warming catastrophe and that we have much more to learn about this planet of ours that has been through and survived many natural upheavals and climatic cycles."In 2004, Dr Bellamy described man-made global warming as "poppycock" .
 
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October 20th, 2006, 4:20 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperClimate change means more weather extremes you fool, i.e., hotter drier summers and cooler wetter winters... Thanks for the verification that global cooling really exists and is affecting the weather patterns as predicted.You're twisted something bad.how so ?you logic seems to be(more extremes) -> (climate change) -> (global warming).the same logic gives(more extremes) -> (climate change) -> (global cooling).More extremes mean at most increased volatility if anything, and maybe not even that: it might just be a reflection of a letting a random walk progress for a longer period: a random walk with zero drift will likely hit new highs and lows periodically.And this one has drift.
 
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October 20th, 2006, 6:00 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperso...weather gets hotter: blame global warmingweather gets colder: blame global warmingdog farts: blame global warmingI see a pattern thereWhat you do not understand yet is that Global Warming = Regional Cooling in some areas of the northern Hemisphere, the reason behind that is the disruption of ocean currents, a far more important factor in climate than few Celsius diference.
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October 20th, 2006, 6:12 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperdog farts: blame global warmingActually, dog farts contain methane which is 21 times as potent as CO2 as a greenhouse gas. Thus proper statement is:Yes CH4 absorbs 21 times more heat per molecule than carbon dioxide but also has a much shorter live in the atmosphere (12 ± 3 years) while CO2 has a variable atmospheric lifetime of approximately 200-450 years Nitrous oxide is even more dangerous because absorbs 270 times more heat per molecule than carbon dioxide and has an atmospheric lifetime of 120 years
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October 21st, 2006, 1:08 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeAnd this one has drift.but you can't deduce that from the statements about the extremes.
 
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October 21st, 2006, 1:09 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: menceyWhat you do not understand yet is that Global Warming = Regional Cooling in some areas of the northern Hemisphereor perhaps Global Cooling = Regional Warming in some areas
 
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October 21st, 2006, 4:13 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeAnd this one has drift.but you can't deduce that from the statements about the extremes.#You idiot - look at the graphs!
 
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October 21st, 2006, 7:29 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeAnd this one has drift.but you can't deduce that from the statements about the extremes.#You idiot - look at the graphs!which graphs would those be ?
 
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October 21st, 2006, 11:22 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: menceyWhat you do not understand yet is that Global Warming = Regional Cooling in some areas of the northern Hemisphereor perhaps Global Cooling = Regional Warming in some areasAre you being paid by the industry? Global cooling in general can refer to a cooling of the earth; more specifically, it is a theory positing an overall cooling of the Earth and perhaps the commencement of glaciation. This theory gained temporary popular attention due to press reporting following a better understanding of ice age cycles and a temporary downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s. The theory never had strong scientific support. At present, the Earth is not cooling, but rather is in a period of global warming mostly attributed to human activity.
 
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October 21st, 2006, 11:28 pm

I suggest you look at the terms North Atlantic Currentthermohaline circulationIce cap meltingOcean Circulation Shut Down By Melting Glaciers After Last Ice AgeGreenhouse gases
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