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Farmers' Almanac Predicts Cold, Wet Winter>> The 192-year-old publication, which claims an accuracy rate of 80 to 85 percent, predicts "Numb's the word" for much of the U.S.

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August frost hits Minnesota and Wisconsin...

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Climate Change - The Big Picture.Climate change facts:Fact 1: Climate change is happening and humans are contributing to it Fact 2: Temperatures are continuing to rise Fact 3: The current climate change is not just part of a natural cycle Fact 4: Recent warming cannot be explained by the Sun or natural factors alone Fact 5: If we continue emitting greenhouse gases this warming will continue and delaying action will make the problem more difficult to fix Fact 6: Climate models predict the main features of future climate

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TJ: your "facts" are in fact unproven (and in some cases disproven and discredited) hypotheses rather than facts

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QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperTJ: your "facts" are in fact unproven (and in some cases disproven and discredited) hypotheses rather than factsPlease.

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Quote Arctic sea ice drops to 2nd lowest level on recordBy SETH BORENSTEIN and DAN JOLING, Associated Press Writers 1 hour, 21 minutes agoWASHINGTON - More ominous signs Wednesday have scientists saying that a global warming "tipping point" in the Arctic seems to be happening before their eyes: Sea ice in the Arctic Ocean is at its second lowest level in about 30 years. The National Snow and Ice Data Center reported that sea ice in the Arctic now covers about 2.03 million square miles. The lowest point since satellite measurements began in 1979 was 1.65 million square miles set last September.With about three weeks left in the Arctic summer, this year could wind up breaking that previous record, scientists said.Arctic ice always melts in summer and refreezes in winter. But over the years, more of the ice is lost to the sea with less of it recovered in winter. While ice reflects the sun's heat, the open ocean absorbs more heat and the melting accelerates warming in other parts of the world.Sea ice also serves as primary habitat for threatened polar bears."We could very well be in that quick slide downward in terms of passing a tipping point," said senior scientist Mark Serreze at the data center in Boulder, Colo. "It's tipping now. We're seeing it happen now."Within "five to less than 10 years," the Arctic could be free of sea ice in the summer, said NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally."It also means that climate warming is also coming larger and faster than the models are predicting and nobody's really taken into account that change yet," he said.Overall, the picture of what's happening in the Arctic is getting worse, said Bob Corell, who headed a multinational scientific assessment of Arctic conditions a few years ago: "We're moving beyond a point of no return." Point of no return.

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T. Boone Pickens - Republican, Trader, Billionaire - has his own plans.QuoteThe most famous wildcatter in Texas history is spending $58 million of his own money to promote the Pickens Plan, which proposes massive wind farms (which hes already building), more reliance on natural gas (which he has a huge stake in), and ways to combat global warming (which loyal Republicans arent supposed to believe is real) to break Americas addiction to foreign oil. But does the 80-year-old have the energy to save the world?... now there is his$58 million national advertising campaign to promote his energy policy, which he is calling the Pickens Plan. Youve no doubt seen Boones full-page newspaper advertisements or watched his television commercials in which he states, Ive been an oilman my whole life, but this is one emergency we cant drill our way out of. You probably have seen him on his Web site or on television shows, standing before a whiteboard, scribbling all over it like a mad professor as he declares that the United States is spending $700 billion a year on foreign oilthe largest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind, he always points out. And if nothing is done, the country could very well be spending$10 trillion on foreign oil within a decade.Youve also heard about his solution, in which he wants other entrepreneurs and energy companies to build wind farms like the one hes constructing in the Wind Belt: the vast corridor that extends the length of the Great Plains, from Texas to the Canadian border. He wants the power that will come from those wind farms to replace the natural gas that we now use to make electricity. (About 22 percent of Americas electricity comes from natural gas, 50 percent from coal, 20 percent from nuclear power, and the rest from other sources.) In turn, he wants to use that natural gas as fuel for automobilesall of which, he says, will lead to a significant drop in gasoline use and a 30 to 40 percent reduction in our oil imports, saving close to $300 billion a yearT. Boone. Last edited by TraderJoe on August 29th, 2008, 10:00 pm, edited 1 time in total. ppauper Topic Author Posts: 70239 Joined: November 15th, 2001, 1:29 pm Impending Ice Age - What We Can Do (Mitigation) the ice age cometh ppauper Topic Author Posts: 70239 Joined: November 15th, 2001, 1:29 pm Impending Ice Age - What We Can Do (Mitigation) I may have been too quick to judge the obama administration:White House science czar John Holdren is a climate realist who has predicted 1 billion people will die in "carbon-dioxide induced famines" in a coming new ice age by 2020. (I wouldn't have put the death rate that high myself, put presumably Obama picked Holdren because he's an expert on these things) ppauper Topic Author Posts: 70239 Joined: November 15th, 2001, 1:29 pm Impending Ice Age - What We Can Do (Mitigation) Mid-October Snow Shocks Tri-Staters ppauper Topic Author Posts: 70239 Joined: November 15th, 2001, 1:29 pm Impending Ice Age - What We Can Do (Mitigation) Colder winter for US East, South Collector Posts: 4196 Joined: August 21st, 2001, 12:37 pm Impending Ice Age - What We Can Do (Mitigation) What happened to global warming? ppauper Topic Author Posts: 70239 Joined: November 15th, 2001, 1:29 pm Impending Ice Age - What We Can Do (Mitigation) QuoteOriginally posted by: CollectorWhat happened to global warming?exactly !mrs dash, care to comment ? trackstar Posts: 26704 Joined: August 28th, 2008, 1:53 pm Impending Ice Age - What We Can Do (Mitigation) China and the Climate Conundrum - BBC October 19..."Talking targetsChina's President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao have both spoken forcefully on the need to curb global emissions of greenhouse gases. But they are in a bind. They need to increase the economy to help lift people like Liu out of poverty - and there are hundreds of millions of people like her on less than$2 a day. China, like other emerging nations, demands that rich countries cut 40% of their emissions (based on 1990 levels) by 2020 in line with recommendations of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). As China's emissions are still relatively low per capita, and as China is the workshop for developed nations, the rest of the world accepts that China's own emissions will continue to grow for a time but the rest of the world would like to know exactly when China will stop growing. The Chinese government has so far only promised to peak emissions by 2050 - that's catastrophically late from the point of view of climate modellers. But other dates are now on the table. Prof Hu Angang, one of many academics who advises the government on energy, is quoted as saying that China's emissions could peak as early as 2020. But his controversial remarks have handed ammunition to China's rivals in the forthcoming Copenhagen climate talks."...London Meeting Hopes to Smooth Way for Copenhagen Climate Agreement - VOA Oct 19Britain is hosting a meeting of the environment ministers of the 17 countries responsible for producing 80 percent of greenhouse gases. The officials will be discussing issues relating to climate change before a December conference in Copenhagen....

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I find it interesting that if you study the predictions of the climate change/population modelers, the peak oilers, the Singularitarians and Didier Sornette's theory of bubbles (see http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0002075), they all give approximately the same date for a coming global phase change in human affairs: 2050. And this isn't new; the Club of Rome study and the secretive Jason group of top scientists who advise the US government came up with a similar date back in the 1970's (see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 690900.ece ). What does this all mean? I have no idea, except that if I survive for a few more decades I expect to be living in some very interesting (and very different) times!
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