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October 24th, 2009, 7:10 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: trackstarppauper: here is something you can do (mitigation)]this seems to be a story about one group of people (the yes men) lying about the position of the chamber of commerceYes, my point was that you could create hoaxes, as they have done, to bring attention to the issue and highlight your point of view.***You could also join in some demonstrations, but wear a penguin costume, to emphasize global freezing, not warming.International day of demonstrations on climate change - CNN Oct 24Much like me in my sea turtle dress at Seattle WTO negotiations in '99.
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October 26th, 2009, 8:34 am

This strongly points in the direction of a "outsider theory" that have been around for a long time, that if right will change much more than our view on the many flawed climate models. (more on this later):"The temperature difference between equatorial and polar sea waters was minimal during the extremely warm ‘Greenhouse world’ 60 to 50 million years ago. This is the main conclusion drawn by a team of scientists from Utrecht University, the Netherlands, the NIOZ Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research and the University of California, Santa Cruz. The team of scientists, headed by Peter Bijl, show that circum-Antarctic sea water exceeded 30ºC at that time. The results were published in Nature this week. ""BreakthroughPreviously, scientists from Utrecht University and the Royal NIOZ presented in a suite of Nature and Science articles the manifestation of Greenhouse climates in the Arctic regions, with the invasion of tropical algae and sea surface temperatures of up to 24ºC. Meanwhile, temperatures of waters fringing the Antarctic continent during the Greenhouse climates were a great unknown to climate scientists. The multidisciplinary research, published in Nature, now reached a breakthrough."Fossil Greenhouse world was warm from pole to pole (10/7/2009) Early Palaeogene temperature evolution of the southwest Pacific Ocean (Nature 461, 776-779, 8 October 2009)"PALMS flourished in the Arctic during a brief sweltering period about 50 million years ago, according to a study that hints at big gaps in scientific understanding of modern climate change.The Arctic "would have looked very similar to the vegetation we now see in Florida," Appy Sluijs of Utrecht University in the Netherlands said."Arctic 'like Florida' 50 million years ago
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October 26th, 2009, 9:00 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: trackstarQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: trackstarppauper: here is something you can do (mitigation)]this seems to be a story about one group of people (the yes men) lying about the position of the chamber of commerceYes, my point was that you could create hoaxes, as they have done, to bring attention to the issue and highlight your point of viewindeed, for the environmental wackos like mrs dash, whom the facts are against, that's all they can do.QuoteYou could also join in some demonstrations, but wear a penguin costume, to emphasize global freezing, not warming.ah, but aren't the environmental wackos dressed as polar bears and penguins also ?probably a little hard for bystanders to distinguish between a penguin protesting against global warming and a penguin that is emphasising the risks of global cooling
 
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October 26th, 2009, 9:01 am

dr collector: excellent post !
 
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October 26th, 2009, 10:44 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: CollectorFossil Greenhouse world was warm from pole to pole (10/7/2009) Equilibrating those temperatures would suggest rather vigorous levels of convection between the poles and the equator. That would be rather stormy!
 
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October 26th, 2009, 11:01 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CollectorFossil Greenhouse world was warm from pole to pole (10/7/2009) Equilibrating those temperatures would suggest rather vigorous levels of convection between the poles and the equator. That would be rather stormy!yes and is this not about at the same time as the dinosaurs left us
 
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October 26th, 2009, 10:00 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CollectorQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CollectorFossil Greenhouse world was warm from pole to pole (10/7/2009) Equilibrating those temperatures would suggest rather vigorous levels of convection between the poles and the equator. That would be rather stormy!yes and is this not about at the same time as the dinosaurs left us So shall we short cat bonds now or wait for the first category 6 hurricane to hit Cornwall?
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November 2nd, 2009, 8:34 am

Coldest October since 1945 in NZ
 
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November 10th, 2009, 9:25 am

if the wackos like mrs dash get their way, things like this will become all too common:Teen stuck on ice shoots polar bear
 
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November 10th, 2009, 11:12 am

"The other mystery surrounds a major cooling event that Thompson believes happened about 700 years earlier. During a 2002 expedition to the Quelccaya ice cap in Peru, the largest tropical ice field in the world, Thompson and colleagues discovered patches of ancient wetland plants that had been exposed as the edge of the ice cap retreated. When carbon-dated, the plants were shown to be 5,200 years old, meaning that they had been covered, and preserved, by the ice for the last 52 centuries.Since then, recent expeditions have located similar patches of plants revealed by the ice's retreat. All date back to at least 5,200 years ago and some as much as 7,000 years ago."This means that sometime around 5,200 years ago, there was a rapid cooling event in this region and the ice expanded shielding the plants from damage and decay," Thompson said."Ancient drought and rapid cooling drastically altered climate (6/22/2009)
 
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November 10th, 2009, 11:49 am

"Sceptics welcome BBC report on 'global cooling'"Climate change sceptics have welcomed a “surprise” BBC decision to give prominence to evidence from leading scientists that there could be 30 years of “global cooling”."Statisticians reject cooling claims by global warming skeptics"Yet the idea that things are cooling has been repeated in opinion columns, a BBC news story posted on the Drudge Report and in a new book by the authors of the best-seller "Freakonomics." Last week, a poll by the Pew Research Center found that only 57 percent of Americans now believe there is strong scientific evidence for global warming, down from 77 percent in 2006." I have no idea if there will be global warming or cooling, but I think many people got fed up with the initial false claims that basically every scientist agreed on human made global warming.The global climate is obviously extremely difficult to model or understand, there is simply too many factors we do not understand, is the long trend warming or cooling and what is the cause, and even a long term trend can obviously quickly be broken by a single event. But yes we have good indications from the history (and earth science) that the climate can change very rapidly (also without cars). The best strategy is possibly to be prepared for both rapid global cooling and warming!!
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November 10th, 2009, 12:01 pm

Quelccaya Ice Cap, Peru
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November 10th, 2009, 1:37 pm

NOAA: Third Coldest October on Record...
 
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November 10th, 2009, 3:55 pm

Early snow records set to be broken"Early snow records set to be brokenBy Lisa ChapmanAustria’s provincial capitals are expected to see their earliest snowfalls in history today (Mon) as Arctic air sweeps the country.Josef Haselhofer from Vienna’s Central Agency for Meteorology and Geodynamics (ZAMG) said today (Mon) Arctic air would probably result in the first snow cover in provincial capitals before 20 October in history and said Innsbruck, Salzburg and St. Pölten were likely to see snow.He said as much as 30 to 40 centimetres of snow was likely down to 1,200 metres and snow could fall as low as 400 metres later this week, adding it had already begun to fall in Vorarlberg. He also predicted low temperatures would be minus five degrees at higher elevations and zero degrees in the lowlands by Thursday morning."Time to rise the taxes again, this time to fight human made global cooling? and a new spin on it, it was not the CO2 it was the increased use of wifi "The early white stuff is due to arctic winds that have been lingering to keep temperatures low. If all bodes well, the 2009/2010 ski and snowboard season could be epic across the globe. So if you've always been hankering to take a ski trip to Chamonix or Gstaad, this may be the year to go."
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November 11th, 2009, 10:45 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: CollectorTime to rise the taxes again, this time to fight human made global cooling? and a new spin on it, it was not the CO2 it was the increased use of wifi lol, so far they've blamed aerosols and co2 so wifi's as good as anything
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