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My government spent $242,993,320,124 in Iraq and all I got was this lousy civil war

January 29th, 2007, 10:39 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: dibbleBush's Armageddon ObsessionQuote"We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth in defense of this great nation." Uh-oh.
 
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January 29th, 2007, 10:46 pm

Quote"mission accomplished"Can we execute Bush and Blair now?
 
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My government spent $242,993,320,124 in Iraq and all I got was this lousy civil war

February 1st, 2007, 7:36 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: dibbleleads to a winWe already won. More US soldiers have died in Iraq than civilians in the US in the War on Terror. Terrorists choose terror on civilians because they are incapabale of waging war. If we force them to abandon terror and attempt war, we have won
 
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February 1st, 2007, 7:54 pm

I did not know it was over. Would you have the end date available, so I can mark it in my diary.
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April 23rd, 2007, 9:17 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: dibble1) I would be interested in the name of the study2) So it is an open ended study? Have they not come to a conclusion? Why is the study still going ?3) If the reduction in violence was linear (and it is not) then I agree that it may look like that the US has 'control over the situation." But we do have "Correlation V Causation". I assume that this has been covered in the study. Otherwise we may have to leave the troops in Iraq for all time. After all, the insurgents may just be waiting at home watching "Oprah" until the troops leave.4) What is your definition of "win he war"I think the below web link touches upon the major points that tbonds was trying to make.The point was that the U.S. can win this war if it wants to assuming is sends over enough troops (draft anyone?). The other point, or question really, is assuming that the U.S. wins what do they do next? What is the strategy for the Iraq once it's under control? I think the answer to that question will decide the answer to the first and whether we can/should stay the course.Doubling Down in Iraq
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April 23rd, 2007, 10:48 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: skeptibleQuoteOriginally posted by: dibble1) I would be interested in the name of the study2) So it is an open ended study? Have they not come to a conclusion? Why is the study still going ?3) If the reduction in violence was linear (and it is not) then I agree that it may look like that the US has 'control over the situation." But we do have "Correlation V Causation". I assume that this has been covered in the study. Otherwise we may have to leave the troops in Iraq for all time. After all, the insurgents may just be waiting at home watching "Oprah" until the troops leave.4) What is your definition of "win he war"I think the below web link touches upon the major points that tbonds was trying to make.The point was that the U.S. can win this war if it wants to assuming is sends over enough troops (draft anyone?). The other point, or question really, is assuming that U.S. wins do they do next? What is the strategy for the Iraq once it's under control? I think the answer to that question will decide the answer to the first and whether we can/should stay the course.Anybody remember Viet Nam? (Those who fail to learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them). So you can "win" the hearts and minds eh? Good luck, you're off to a good start . Mission accomplished.
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May 2nd, 2007, 4:04 pm

Unfortunately for the GOP, Bush's own words have rendered the Churchill comparison absurd. Churchill called for blood, toil, tears and sweat. Bush called for tax breaks for the rich and continued shopping. He didn't raise taxes, or impose a gas tax, or institute a draft, or in any way put the country on a war footing. Asked by "The NewsHour's" Jim Lehrer why he hadn't asked Americans to sacrifice anything for the war, Bush replied, "Well, you know, I think a lot of people are in this fight. I mean, they sacrifice peace of mind when they see the terrible images of violence on TV every night ... And one thing we want during this war on terror is for people to feel like their life's moving on." Yes, that certainly has the Churchillian ring to it.Last refuge of the scoundrel
 
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May 2nd, 2007, 8:34 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: dibbleUnfortunately for the GOP, Bush's own words have rendered the Churchill comparison absurd. Churchill called for blood, toil, tears and sweat. Bush called for tax breaks for the rich and continued shopping. He didn't raise taxes, or impose a gas tax, or institute a draft, or in any way put the country on a war footing. Asked by "The NewsHour's" Jim Lehrer why he hadn't asked Americans to sacrifice anything for the war, Bush replied, "Well, you know, I think a lot of people are in this fight. I mean, they sacrifice peace of mind when they see the terrible images of violence on TV every night ... And one thing we want during this war on terror is for people to feel like their life's moving on." Why doesn't someone just sack this bozo. Sheesh! And I thought Reagan was bad .
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My government spent $242,993,320,124 in Iraq and all I got was this lousy civil war

May 2nd, 2007, 8:39 pm

we should outsource wars. it's too expensive to rely on our highly paid consultants ... i mean soldiers. i think that outsourcing would make it 100 times cheaper and wouldnt strain the budget
 
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May 2nd, 2007, 8:46 pm

Good idea. Let's send all those Indians and Chinese guys to kick some ass on our behalf
 
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May 2nd, 2007, 11:02 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeGood idea. Let's send all those Indians and Chinese guys to kick some ass on our behalf actually, it's even simpler. you hire local contractors
 
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May 3rd, 2007, 9:13 am

I guess we're done talking about this topic constructively.
 
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May 3rd, 2007, 2:16 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: jawabeanQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeGood idea. Let's send all those Indians and Chinese guys to kick some ass on our behalf actually, it's even simpler. you hire local contractorsway back when, before we invaded afghanistan to tackle Al Qaeda following 9/11,I advocated sending in mercs to kill them.
 
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May 3rd, 2007, 7:12 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: jawabeanQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeGood idea. Let's send all those Indians and Chinese guys to kick some ass on our behalf actually, it's even simpler. you hire local contractorsway back when, before we invaded afghanistan to tackle Al Qaeda following 9/11,I advocated sending in mercs to kill them.What a man.
 
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My government spent $242,993,320,124 in Iraq and all I got was this lousy civil war

May 3rd, 2007, 7:46 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: jawabeanQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeGood idea. Let's send all those Indians and Chinese guys to kick some ass on our behalf actually, it's even simpler. you hire local contractorsway back when, before we invaded afghanistan to tackle Al Qaeda following 9/11,I advocated sending in mercs to kill them.What a man.Perhaps they should have sent in NZers to do the job, then they could have bashed, burgled, buggered Osama, AND run him down in their car.
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