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September 18th, 2006, 8:18 am

Darfur in dangerDespite the arrival of international troops and ongoing peace talks, the crisis in the African nation of Sudan remains as severe as ever.A campaign of what the United Nations describes as "ethnic cleansing" by Arab militias against non-Arab villagers has created a climate of terror across the huge Darfur region in Sudan's west.Tens of thousands are estimated to have died and more than 2 million people have been displaced by a civil war which has created widespread famine. World aid groups are struggling to avert an even greater humanitarian disaster. World Rallyes for DafurDafur Special report
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September 18th, 2006, 8:42 am

If you do not like CNN we can use Amnesty InternationalSlaves are mainly women and children, captured as war-booty by armed forces of the Muslim-fundamentalist government of Sudan.(I supose they simply kill the men)Christian Solidarity redeemeing slavesArabs retrieving moneyDo you want an apology for this statement too????......... DO YOU WANT AN APOLOGY FOR THIS STATEMENT TOO????SHAME ON YOU.
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October 17th, 2006, 11:27 am

Ethiopia: Christians and Muslims Fight, Five DeadFresh from an overwhelming victory in Somalia, the Religion of Peace begins to bring its peace into adjacent Ethiopia: Five people die in Muslim-Christian clashes in western EthiopiaThe clash happened near Dembi, about 440 kilometers west of the capital, Addis Ababa, where at least eight people died when Muslims and Christians fought on Sept. 26 over an Ethiopian Orthodox Church festival. Five people died in clashes over the weekend in a western Ethiopian region that has seen clashes between Muslims and Christians, a police spokesman said Monday.The clash happened near Dembi, about 440 kilometers (273 miles) west of the capital, Addis Ababa, where at least eight people died when Muslims and Christians fought on Sept. 26 over an Ethiopian Orthodox Church festival.[...]October 5, 2006Ethiopia: Muslims Fight With Christians - Five DeadNews from Associated Press via International Herald Tribune and Nazret, from EITB 24 and from Reuters AlertNet states that in the west of Ethiopia, five people were killed after fighting broke out between Muslims and Orthodox Christians.The violence happened on Sunday (October 1) at Dembi, a town northwest of Jimma, in Oromia province, some 215 miles west of Addis Ababa, the capital. A police official said by phone: "Four people were killed and many others were injured in clashes after Muslims in the region objected to Meskel celebrations by followers of the Christian Orthodox Church."The Meskel Festival is a commemoration of the finding of the "True Cross" upon which Christ was crucified, apparently 1,600 years ago. In this festival, which takes place in September, yellow Meskel daisies are placed on bonfires and set alight. The daisies are cross-shaped and appear at the end of the rainy season. The cross was said to have been found by the Bezantain Queen Helen.Reuters states that there have been reports that two Christian churches have been set alight, though this cannot be confirmed.The police official said: "The incident which developed into sectarian violence was instigated by an individual as followers of the Christian church were preparing to set up a bonfire to celebrate Meskel holiday." He said that several people, thought to have taken part in the violence, were arrested.Federal Police spokesman Demsash Hailu confirmed that five people in all had been killed. He would not commit himself to saying the conflict in Dembi was religiously motivated. The figure for people who were wounded in the clashes is not known.According to Elias Redman, vice president of the Ethiopian Islamic Affairs Supreme Council, most Muslims in Dembi are extremists - they follow conservative Sunni Islam, in the form of Wahhabism or Salafism. Representatives of the Council were today sent to Dembi to investigate the circumstances of the conflict.There are 77 million people in Ethiopia, with the population fairly equally divided between Orthodox Christian and Muslims. Traditionally the two communities are said to co-exist peacefully. five dead
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October 17th, 2006, 9:02 pm

We make money, and so far the US has done a pretty good job of ruling by the sword ... there's two sides to every story.
 
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October 17th, 2006, 11:23 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: menceyAccording to Elias Redman, vice president of the Ethiopian Islamic Affairs Supreme Council, most Muslims in Dembi are extremists - they follow conservative Sunni Islam, in the form of Wahhabism or Salafism. Representatives of the Council were today sent to Dembi to investigate the circumstances of the conflict.At least give mainstream Islam credit for looking into the matter. In the West, on the other hand, who has been allowed to look into what goes on at Ketziot, Ofer, or Meggido, or at any of the CIA's "black spots?" How many of us have even heard of Ketziot, Ofer, or Meggido?
 
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October 18th, 2006, 6:25 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeWe make money, and so far the US has done a pretty good job of ruling by the sword ... there's two sides to every story.Big empires are not sustained by timidity, however in comparison with the sins of preceding empires in history, or the sins of other contemporanean empires (think about Stalin, holodomor or ukranian genocide, cultural revolution in China, etc...) I have to admit that the rule of the US has been quite benevolent.
 
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October 18th, 2006, 1:33 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: menceyBig empires are not sustained by timidity, however in comparison with the sins of preceding empires in history, or the sins of other contemporanean empires (think about Stalin, holodomor or ukranian genocide, cultural revolution in China, etc...) I have to admit that the rule of the US has been quite benevolent.Is it your position that this is a meaningful comparison?
 
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October 18th, 2006, 9:27 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: menceyQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeWe make money, and so far the US has done a pretty good job of ruling by the sword ... there's two sides to every story.Big empires are not sustained by timidity, however in comparison with the sins of preceding empires in history, or the sins of other contemporanean empires (think about Stalin, holodomor or ukranian genocide, cultural revolution in China, etc...) I have to admit that the rule of the US has been quite benevolent.In the eyes of God, a life is a life.
 
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October 19th, 2006, 1:35 pm

Sudanese asylum seeker confesses Janjweed crimes 'We burned their homes and killed all the men, women and children'
 
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October 20th, 2006, 6:41 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: menceyQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeWe make money, and so far the US has done a pretty good job of ruling by the sword ... there's two sides to every story.Big empires are not sustained by timidity, however in comparison with the sins of preceding empires in history, or the sins of other contemporanean empires (think about Stalin, holodomor or ukranian genocide, cultural revolution in China, etc...) I have to admit that the rule of the US has been quite benevolent.In the eyes of God, a life is a life.Depending of wich religion you are talking about, in Christian, Buddism and hinduism,................. seems to be the case . In Islam it does not seems the case, there seems to be first and second class lives. The life of muslim seems to be much more valuable than the life of a non-muslim. ........ not much better than Hitler's arguments in my view
 
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October 20th, 2006, 9:05 pm

Where is officer Dibble when you need him....
 
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October 22nd, 2006, 5:53 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: menceyQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeQuoteOriginally posted by: menceyQuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeWe make money, and so far the US has done a pretty good job of ruling by the sword ... there's two sides to every story.Big empires are not sustained by timidity, however in comparison with the sins of preceding empires in history, or the sins of other contemporanean empires (think about Stalin, holodomor or ukranian genocide, cultural revolution in China, etc...) I have to admit that the rule of the US has been quite benevolent.In the eyes of God, a life is a life.Depending of wich religion you are talking about, in Christian, Buddism and hinduism,................. seems to be the case . In Islam it does not seems the case, there seems to be first and second class lives. The life of muslim seems to be much more valuable than the life of a non-muslim. ........ not much better than Hitler's arguments in my viewFALSE: ISLAM IS THE ONLY ONE OF THE BIBLICAL RELIGIONS THAT SAYS THAT A GOOD NON MUSLIM WOULD GO TO HEAVEN BEFORE A BAD MULSIM. SO IT ACTUALLY EMPHAISES GOOD DEEDS OVER MEMBERSHIP - A REMARKABLY EGALITARIAN IDEA FOR A RELIGION 15 CENTURIES OLD. AND QUITE THE OPPOSITTE OF HITLER. NOW SINCE CHRISTIANITY REQUIRES AN INDIVIDUAL TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS THE SAVIOUR BEFORE HE/SHE CAN BE SAVED HIMSELF, THEN I HOPE YOU DONT EQUATE ALL CHRISTIANITY WITH HITLER.
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October 22nd, 2006, 2:10 pm

You are again twisting the argument here. Nobody is talking here about the who or who not wil go to heaven. We are discussing the sentence of traderjoe "In the eyes of God, a life is a life"There is a point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as religions, both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honoring the image of God and the hope of salvation. Jesus Christ's proposal is one who talks about personal salvation. Means that each individual is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals. Therefore you do not go around slaving, beheading and killing infidels (that seems to be the case with Islam today).Let's look at the difference between the three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sings, while Islam speaks about ruling the world: "Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions." . The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam.About your insistence of calling me Nazi, I already answered you that, as a supporter of open societies, I find it quite funny. Nazism (close society) does not mix well with the concept of open society.
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October 22nd, 2006, 7:37 pm

What an ignorant ass you are, mencey.
 
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October 22nd, 2006, 7:39 pm

What an ignorant ass you are, mencey. It must be Dhimmitude Sunday here on Wilmott.
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