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Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 17th, 2018, 10:26 pm
by bearish
zero hedge had something on the death of the russian double agent in the UK
British Prime Minister May had said
"It is now clear that Mr Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia.
This is part of a group of nerve agents known as ‘Novichok’.
(snip)
Mr Speaker, there are therefore only two plausible explanations for what happened in Salisbury on the 4th of March.
Either this was a direct act by the Russian State against our country.
Or the Russian government lost control of this potentially catastrophically damaging nerve agent and allowed it to get into the hands of others."
Novichok was developed by the Soviet Union in what is now Uzbekistan and the US military helped the Uzbeks dismantle the plant
1999: U.S. and Uzbeks Agree on Chemical Arms Plant Cleanup

David Collum is a Cornell Chemistry prof:
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This is an interesting one, since professor Collum is clearly a highly qualified chemist. He is also a well documented nutcase (dabbling in economics) and scourge of female and less clearly gendered students at Cornell. Being a Putin apologizer is a new thing, but it may just be a Trump affinity thing.

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 18th, 2018, 10:17 am
by ISayMoo
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 18th, 2018, 4:36 pm
by tw
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.
Surely the police are the people to ask information from? I would hope there is an investigation for attempted murder going on. 

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 18th, 2018, 4:38 pm
by Cuchulainn
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.
Surely the police are the people to ask information from? I would hope there is an investigation for attempted murder going on. 
Maybe

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 18th, 2018, 11:34 pm
by ISayMoo
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.
Surely the police are the people to ask information from? I would hope there is an investigation for attempted murder going on. 
Police can be asked to step aside when MI${number} is involved.

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 19th, 2018, 6:45 am
by ppauper
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.
Surely the police are the people to ask information from? I would hope there is an investigation for attempted murder going on. 
Good point. Give me their phone number and I'll give them a call. Do we have a back-up plan if they won't tell me?

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 19th, 2018, 6:52 am
by ppauper
anyhoo, according to the internet, there are at least 2 theories circulating
the daughter recently visited moscow and someone put the nerve agent in her suitcase while she was there
Senior sources have told the Telegraph they are convinced the Novichok nerve agent was hidden in the luggage of Yulia Skripal, the double agent’s 33-year-old daughter.
Either they weren't that convinced, or they changed their minds,
Russian ex-spy's poisoning in UK believed from nerve agent in car vents

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 19th, 2018, 6:34 pm
by tw
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.
Surely the police are the people to ask information from? I would hope there is an investigation for attempted murder going on. 
Good point. Give me their phone number and I'll give them a call. Do we have a back-up plan if they won't tell me?
Sure just ask MI6.  They will surely tell you every detail.

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 21st, 2018, 7:53 am
by ppauper
Essay-writing company's adverts banned
An essay-writing company has had its adverts banned after they were deemed to be misleading to students.
The Advertising Standards Authority ruled that UK Essays had failed to make it clear that the papers were not meant to be submitted as students' own work.
if not cheating, then why are students buying the essays? bedtime reading with a mug of cocoa?

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 21st, 2018, 2:57 pm
by ISayMoo
Inspiration.

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 22nd, 2018, 7:51 pm
by Cuchulainn

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 27th, 2018, 7:03 am
by ppauper
It does seem best to not take part in the World Cup. Russia only got it by exploiting corrupt FIFA. Not worth the risk. And besides, Russians are worse football hooligans than either the English or the Dutch.
russia's taking its A-team to the fifa cup

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 29th, 2018, 4:43 pm
by tw
Hopefully, multiple digits crossed, we may have a very qualified witness to described what happened.
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 29th, 2018, 7:50 pm
by ppauper
unless I've missed some of the theories, they're now on number 3, that the substance was on  the door handle of their home.
I like number 2 better (the car locks clicking shut and white gas coming out of the vents).

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 29th, 2018, 8:12 pm
by Paul
She will recover and say it was a suicide pact using nerve agent from Porton Down and bought on the black market. Of course, she will be lying, it is all part of Putin's plan.

But sadly, the gay psychopath in the Kremlin doesn't have the imagination of John le Carre. He is just a thug.