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Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 29th, 2018, 8:38 pm
by TidalFlood
Like a moon-light shadow.

Paul, have you ever been surfing in the ocean before?

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 30th, 2018, 5:48 am
by ppauper
Hopefully, multiple digits crossed, we may have a very qualified witness to described what happened.
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.
what light do you expect the daughter to shine on the case?
the latest theory seems to be that their house door knob was poisoned but the nerve agent didn't take effect until several hours later and in the interim they carried on regardless rather than going to hospital or taking a shower and changing their clothes.
Perhaps the daughter saw a suspicious looking man in a hazmat suit applying the toxin to the door handle but thought nothing of it at the time?

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 30th, 2018, 6:26 am
by ppauper
it seems we can add iran to the list of countries that can make novichoks
Iranian chemists identify Russian chemical warfare agents

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 30th, 2018, 3:30 pm
by tw
Litvienko and Markov were both able to identify their assassins. I am sure some relevant info is known.

Hopefully, multiple digits crossed, we may have a very qualified witness to described what happened.
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.
what light do you expect the daughter to shine on the case?
the latest theory seems to be that their house door knob was poisoned but the nerve agent didn't take effect until several hours later and in the interim they carried on regardless rather than going to hospital or taking a shower and changing their clothes.
Perhaps the daughter saw a suspicious looking man in a hazmat suit applying the toxin to the door handle but thought nothing of it at the time?

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 30th, 2018, 4:08 pm
by Paul
The unifying theme among Russian women I have known is the desire for a UK passport. It goes: marriage to gullible Brit, gain UK passport, rapid divorce. This poisoning might end with the same result, but is a somewhat riskier route.

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 31st, 2018, 9:16 am
by ISayMoo
Hopefully, multiple digits crossed, we may have a very qualified witness to described what happened.
I also find the lack of hard evidence presented to the public worrying. Maybe the UK government has a lot of hard evidence pointing at Russia, but (differently from Russia) we are a democracy. They should not risk an open conflict with a major world power without presenting the evidence to the public. After the catastrophe of Blair's "Iraq dossier", expecting us to take their word for it is too arrogant. Corbyn is right to ask them for more evidence.
Assuming she'll be mentally capable of being a witness, and that she won't lie.

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 31st, 2018, 10:07 am
by ppauper
meanwhile the tit-for-tat escalation continues
Russia say Aeroflot plane searched in London 'by UK authorities'
this is bizarre
It comes after Russia claimed UK authorities searched one of their planes at a London airport in what they called a "blatant provocation".
The Russian Embassy in the UK said in a statement: "Today, we have witnessed another blatant provocation by the British authorities.
"Border Force and Customs officers have searched the aircraft that was conducting the Aeroflot flights 2582 / 2583, Moscow - London - Moscow.
got that, "Border Force and Customs officers"

The response from the UK was a tweet from the Metropolitan Police denying that they had searched the plane
Metropolitan Police ✔ @metpoliceuk
We are aware of a story circulating on social media. Please be advised that Metropolitan Police are not conducting a search of an Airbus inbound from Moscow at Heathrow.
Except the Russians didn't say it was the Metropolitan Police, they said it was Border Force and Customs officers

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 31st, 2018, 10:12 am
by ppauper

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 31st, 2018, 10:29 am
by katastrofa
The unifying theme among Russian women I have known is the desire for a UK passport. It goes: marriage to gullible Brit, gain UK passport, rapid divorce. This poisoning might end with the same result, but is a somewhat riskier route.
Ukrainian women are worse. They marry gullible men and do not want to divorce them.

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 31st, 2018, 3:49 pm
by tw
The unifying theme among Russian women I have known is the desire for a UK passport. It goes: marriage to gullible Brit, gain UK passport, rapid divorce. This poisoning might end with the same result, but is a somewhat riskier route.
Ukrainian women are worse. They marry gullible men and do not want to divorce them.
Oh my goodness, how terrible. Where can I sign up?

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: March 31st, 2018, 8:47 pm
by ppauper
a lot of people have said that this sounds like something out of a movie.
They are wrong. It was a TV series, shown on cinemax in the US and sky in the UK
novichok tv
Strike Back (TV series)

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: April 1st, 2018, 8:54 am
by Cuchulainn
The unifying theme among Russian women I have known is the desire for a UK passport. It goes: marriage to gullible Brit, gain UK passport, rapid divorce. This poisoning might end with the same result, but is a somewhat riskier route.
Ukrainian women are worse. They marry gullible men and do not want to divorce them.
Oh my goodness, how terrible.  Where can I sign up?
Where can the forms be sent to?

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: April 1st, 2018, 12:53 pm
by Paul
Ukrainian mothers-in-law...comedy gold!

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: April 1st, 2018, 8:19 pm
by ppauper

Re: UK going to the dogs

Posted: April 1st, 2018, 9:14 pm
by Paul
I have been saying for years that NYC is far safer than London, provided you stay out of certain NYC neighbourhoods. For an average person doing average things there is no doubt which is the safer, and friendlier, city.