QuoteOriginally posted by: zetadammit, here I am, sucked in again..To the orginal question, I have worked with muslims (in the US) and they have been the epitome of decency. Contrast this with a fellow church couple whom we dined with last night. My wife and I expressed concern for the health of an elderly gent who sits next to us on a Sunday and their response was that we shouldn't bother, he would most likely take offense if we tried to look after him. nice.My point is not to demonstrate how ..er.. 'open minded' I am, but rather to point out the futility in ALL these arguments. I could have equally shared a story of Muslim indecency/Christian decency, it doesn't matter. It is absolutely futile to argue whose sins are the greater. Judaism/Islam/Christianity all have in common that at various points in their history they have been LEGAL by nature; personal righteousness and the desire to impose that on someone else comes to the fore. We can argue as to the reasons why this happens, for instance in the present day the West turns the screw and (parts) of the east are united under LEGAL Islam. Similarly you could look to cromwell and the rise of radical puritinism in response to abuses of the royalists. There are dozens of examples, but it doesn't matter, they're all the same. One oligarchy gets replaced by another, and so on and so forth...Out of respect for the Atheists I won't bible bash, just paraphrase Christ who said "unless your righteousness exceeds that of the pharisees, you have no place in heaven", also "be perfect as I am perfect" or "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". His message was to adopt His righteousness, not our own. That is to say we can't earn a perfect God's favor, it's granted if we have the humilty to ask for his forgiveness. The difference might be subtle to non christians, but the point is when we give up trying to be righteous and impose that on others, we live righteously responsively, not under obligation. In that mindset we are able to esteem others more highly than ourselves, even those that hate us.wow, intelligent life does exist in the off-topic forum. well said.
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