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HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 28th, 2006, 12:39 pm
by Hamilton
QuoteKaren Armstrong, the ex nun, is as good a source on these topics as any for the Western reader.I prefer Bat Ye'or

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 28th, 2006, 12:59 pm
by Marsden
QuoteOriginally posted by: HamiltonQuoteThe vanquished non-Muslims peoples are granted security for their life and possessions, as well as a relative self-autonomous administration and limited religious rights according to the modalities of the conquest. These rights are subject to two conditions: the payment of a poll tax (the jizya) and submission to the provisions of Islamic law.Hmmm... and let's see: do I get to choose whether to pay taxes to the US government, or whether to follow its laws? No. I guess you're right to call me "Dhimmi."

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 28th, 2006, 1:35 pm
by mencey
QuoteOriginally posted by: MarsdenQuoteOriginally posted by: HamiltonQuoteThe vanquished non-Muslims peoples are granted security for their life and possessions, as well as a relative self-autonomous administration and limited religious rights according to the modalities of the conquest. These rights are subject to two conditions: the payment of a poll tax (the jizya) and submission to the provisions of Islamic law.Hmmm... and let's see: do I get to choose whether to pay taxes to the US government, or whether to follow its laws? No. I guess you're right to call me "Dhimmi."Sorry Marsden but you are patetic and you latest argument are really quite peculiar. It was not only the poll tax and you know it. And if you do not, go back and study a little bit and review some concepts before you keep on posting nonsenses.What I find rather not understandable is how a self-declared atheist is the defender of a theocratic model of close society, like the one proposed by Islam, I am really amazed by the fact, except you are what's is known as Lenin's concept of "Useful Idiot"Further, according to your logic and Dhimmi atitude, I guess you would say that the Munich Pact of 1938 was the right policy to do at the time, aren't you?

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 28th, 2006, 6:57 pm
by Hamilton
I guess you're right to call me "Dhimmi." Mullah Marsden. 7 wives, 19 children. Small set of livestock.Has sort of a nice ring to it.

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 28th, 2006, 7:36 pm
by flairplay
QuoteOriginally posted by: HamiltonQuoteKaren Armstrong, the ex nun, is as good a source on these topics as any for the Western reader.I prefer Bat Ye'orNever heard of Bat Ye'or.Who is he/she?

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 28th, 2006, 8:19 pm
by Hamilton

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 28th, 2006, 8:20 pm
by Hamilton
QuoteBat Ye'or was born in Egypt, but her citizenship was revoked in 1955 because she was Jewish[citation needed]. She and her parents left Egypt in 1957, arriving in London as stateless refugees. Beginning in 1958 she attended the Institute of Archeology at the University of London and in 1959 became a British citizen by marriage. She moved to Switzerland in 1960 to continue her studies at the University of Geneva.[1]She describes how her life experience influenced her research interests: I had witnessed the destruction, in a few short years, of a vibrant Jewish community living in Egypt for over 2,600 years and which had existed from the time of Jeremiah the Prophet. I saw the disintegration and flight of families, dispossessed and humiliated, the destruction of their synagogues, the bombing of the Jewish quarters and the terrorizing of a peaceful population. I have personally experienced the hardships of exile, the misery of statelessness − and I wanted to get to the root cause of all this. I wanted to understand why the Jews from Arab countries, nearly a million, had shared my experiencOld Bat

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 28th, 2006, 8:21 pm
by Hamilton
"Provocative and disturbing. . . . With all the drama of a master writer, Bat Ye'or presents a wide range of historical and contemporary documents and facts to tell the story of how the European Union is being subverted by Islamic hostility to the very ethics and values of Europe itself." -- Sir Martin Gilbert, author, Churchill: A Life and The First World War: A Complete History

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 30th, 2006, 6:05 am
by cosmologist
Joseph marsden,why is he so obsessed with Dhimitude principles? Has he got a muslim girlfriend? May be we are being unfair to him by being too sarcastic, may be>cheersCosmo the satan

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: October 30th, 2006, 1:20 pm
by zeta
QuoteWhat does atheism have to do with deciding what actions are most honorable? Do you think one must believe in God in order to believe in honor? That's ridiculous and offensive in my book, zeta.Well then you took offense for no reason Marsden, because although I disagree with your definition of honor, I wasn't calling it into question; I'll say it again, being an atheist, how can you have insight into what motivates someone who is religious? But then I think you understand where I was going for you said:QuoteYou might argue that Buddhism has a notion of reward, in the form of spiritual advancement, from doing the right thing, but what constitutes the right thing exists independent of this.Could you use another example, Buddhism doesn't belong in the context of a discussion on religions involving eternal damnation for unrepentent murder.QuoteHere you seem to be interpreting Islamic religion. Are you a Muslim? If not, can you site some Muslim authority for your interpretation? I think you are at least in part flat out wrong; I can comfotably interpret Islam this way and also legalistic christianity as I said, with references, that I know can be taken out of context, but it would be more instructive to answer this:QuoteI doubt very much that Islam carves out, as you suggest, vast opportunities for Muslims to do evil things, and I wonder how you could imagine that such a widespread religions would have such obviously pathological defects. You've packed a lot in there. We need to distinguish between 3 things: a person (eg., a 'Christian'), their religion or their interpretation of the ideology (eg., "a Calvinist") and the source of that ideology (eg., "the bible"). This describes me. Back to my original statement, I have no desire to write off all muslims (as people) based on the actions of a few and their perverse actions/interpretation (their religion), derived from their ideology (the qu'ran, sunnah etc). I could have just as easily cited Paul Hill, the minister from my own demonination who decided to kill an abortionist.So no, neither islam nor the bible compels someone to do evil, it's largely circumstance, personality but overwhelmingly human nature to cause harm. But I'll say it again, where anyone who is religious views themselves as righteous by virture of their own actions, and particularly where their un-righteous opposition turns the screw, this tends to make one violent. I cited the radical puritins, an obvious modern example are the taliban QuoteIt is something like taking the Christian notion of forgiveness as evidence that Christians are taught that they can sin freely because forgiveness awaits them regardless of what they do. Would you think that's a fair and reasonable interpretation of the Christian notion of forgiveness? Is it possible that your interpretation that Islam permits sin with impunity against the unrighteous is similarly unfair and unreasonable?Christians maybe incorrectly taught that, but it is explicitly denied in the bible. In fact I'm sure that a Christian may deceive themselves into thinking this as well as a muslim if they view themselves as righteous and a law unto themselves...my whole point. If you would like to discuss why I accept Christian doctrine vs Islam, we can do that on another thread

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: November 6th, 2006, 6:39 pm
by horacioaliaga

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: November 6th, 2006, 6:40 pm
by horacioaliaga
I have worked with two muslim people, one from Lebanon and another from Turkey.Both of them excelent and easy going people

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: November 6th, 2006, 8:29 pm
by horacioaliaga
I have worked with two muslim people, one from Lebanon and another from Turkey.Both of them excelent and easy going people

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: November 6th, 2006, 8:33 pm
by TraderJoe
Ok, OK, we heard you the first time.

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MUSLIMS?

Posted: November 8th, 2006, 1:59 pm
by ppauper
finally, a use for lawyers