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Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 12:24 am
by katastrofa
I first read about tulipmania years ago in a fiction story by a popular Polish author. Already at the time I found many research articles suggesting that it was a myth or at best a satire on the, nomen omen, blossoming society. Anyway, good for the Dutch - when Germans tried to starve them to death in 1944, some survived eating tulip bulbs.

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 12:37 am
by Cuchulainn
I first read about tulipmania years ago in a fiction story by a popular Polish author. Already at the time I found many research articles suggesting that it was a myth or at best a satire on the, nomen omen, blossoming society. Anyway, good for the Dutch - when Germans tried to starve them to death in 1944, some survived eating tulip bulbs.
Sounds like revisionism and a bit irrelevant. A non-sequitor. As I said, read Dash, not novellas.

What is not myth is the 120,00 Dutch Jews who were sent to the gas chamber by the Dutch collaborators. 

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 1:45 am
by bearish
Aaron has written on the tulip bulb mania. I’d trust his research over most other people’s for something like this. Probably in Red Blooded Risk, but I could be wrong on that

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 10:00 am
by Cuchulainn
Aaron has written on the tulip bulb mania. I’d trust his research over most other people’s for something like this. Probably in Red Blooded Risk, but I could be wrong on that
Aaron may have a narrow albeit accurate viewpoint (which I kind of doubt given the fact that so little data is available) but he certainly does not have the last word. The reason was that tulips became junk bond status in the final days of the mania, according to Mike Dash. 

It was a socio-economic phenomenon and not an economic crisis. I think it should be viewed in that light.
Same old story ... Madness of Crowds ... e.g. buying sheds of toilet roll. 

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 12:50 pm
by Cuchulainn
Aaron has written on the tulip bulb mania. I’d trust his research over most other people’s for something like this. Probably in Red Blooded Risk, but I could be wrong on that
You mean this? Show me the tulips.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/300928-book-review-aaron-browns-red-blooded-risk

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 3:40 pm
by bearish
From your link, as part of the answer to “who should read this book?”:

Those who are convinced that they know exactly what happened in tulipmania (read the fascinating chapter “Exponentials, Vampires, Zombies, and Tulips”).

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 3:52 pm
by Cuchulainn
From your link, as part of the answer to “who should read this book?”:

Those who are convinced that they know exactly what happened in tulipmania (read the fascinating chapter “Exponentials, Vampires, Zombies, and Tulips”).
LOL
If you know exactly, what's the point in reading/buying the book?

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 6:24 pm
by Cuchulainn
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b10VjE7cWdk

Als de lente komt dan stuur ik jou tulpen uit Amsterdam
Als de lente komt pluk ik voor jou tulpen uit Amsterdam
Als ik wederkom dan breng ik jou tulpen uit Amsterdam
Duizend gele, duizend rooie, wensen jou het allermooiste
Wat m'n mond niet zeggen kan zeggen tulpen uit Amsterdam

Jan uit de polder zei "Antje, ach kind ik mag je zo graag
Hoe moet dat nou liefste Antje, morgen ga ik naar Den Haag"
En bij die oeroude molen klonk onder een hemel zo blauw
"Ik heb je zo lief, en jij hebt me lief
Ach Antje ik blijf jou altijd trouw"

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: August 1st, 2020, 7:16 pm
by katastrofa
I first read about tulipmania years ago in a fiction story by a popular Polish author. Already at the time I found many research articles suggesting that it was a myth or at best a satire on the, nomen omen, blossoming society. Anyway, good for the Dutch - when Germans tried to starve them to death in 1944, some survived eating tulip bulbs.
Sounds like revisionism and a bit irrelevant. A non-sequitor. As I said, read Dash, not novellas.

What is not myth is the 120,00 Dutch Jews who were sent to the gas chamber by the Dutch collaborators. 
Your non-sequitur threshold is pretty low for a James Joyce fan. I like to give some background and context to my thesis.
Tulips are one of the most popular flowers in Southern and Eastern Europe, with long tradition of cultivation and symbolism (but not necessarily culinary). Western hype-seeking pseudoscientists like McKay wouldn't even know in what direction to read the historial sources. Don't worry, though, one day some Western names will become famous for translating the Eastern classics.

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: September 26th, 2020, 10:07 am
by Cuchulainn
Trump and his envoys have trashed Europe's confidence in the US. The damage might be irreparable

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... index.html

Earlier this week, it emerged that Pete Hoekstra, the US ambassador to the Netherlands, hosted an event at his embassy for Forum for Democracy (FvD), a far-right, anti-immigration and anti-EU party that is gaining popularity in the country. Dutch magazine De Groene Amsterdammer, which first reported on the event, described it as a fundraiser for the party.

Like others, FVD wants to go back to the 50s but they differ on which century it should. Some suggest the 50s of Holland's Glorious Century and Dutch East Indies Company. Now where did we hear that before?

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: September 26th, 2020, 2:11 pm
by bearish
Trump and his envoys have trashed Europe's confidence in the US. The damage might be irreparable

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... index.html

Earlier this week, it emerged that Pete Hoekstra, the US ambassador to the Netherlands, hosted an event at his embassy for Forum for Democracy (FvD), a far-right, anti-immigration and anti-EU party that is gaining popularity in the country. Dutch magazine De Groene Amsterdammer, which first reported on the event, described it as a fundraiser for the party.

Like others, FVD wants to go back to the 50s but they differ on which century it should. Some suggest the 50s of Holland's Glorious Century and Dutch East Indies Company. Now where did we hear that before?
I’m sure I posted something around here about Trump’s MAGA desire to return the US to the 50’s. Specifically, the gender relations of the 1950’s, the race relations of the 1850’s, and the economics of the 1750’s.

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: September 26th, 2020, 2:26 pm
by Cuchulainn
Trump and his envoys have trashed Europe's confidence in the US. The damage might be irreparable

https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... index.html

Earlier this week, it emerged that Pete Hoekstra, the US ambassador to the Netherlands, hosted an event at his embassy for Forum for Democracy (FvD), a far-right, anti-immigration and anti-EU party that is gaining popularity in the country. Dutch magazine De Groene Amsterdammer, which first reported on the event, described it as a fundraiser for the party.

Like others, FVD wants to go back to the 50s but they differ on which century it should. Some suggest the 50s of Holland's Glorious Century and Dutch East Indies Company. Now where did we hear that before?
I’m sure I posted something around here about Trump’s MAGA desire to return the US to the 50’s. Specifically, the gender relations of the 1950’s, the race relations of the 1850’s, and the economics of the 1750’s.
Holland was 1650. In 1672 it all caved in.

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: September 26th, 2020, 2:33 pm
by Cuchulainn
In your case, bearish, it was 850 AD
The Danish Vikings came to Ireland from about 849 AD and fought the Norse Vikings.

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: October 10th, 2020, 1:41 pm
by Cuchulainn

Re: Those crazeeeee Dutch

Posted: October 10th, 2020, 7:02 pm
by Cuchulainn
Cocaine worth €7.6m washes up on Dutch beach

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2015/12/c ... tch-beach/

I was on the beach today but nothing.