This thread is intended for discussion of global warming “Chicken Littles”. This topic is important enough in its own right to have a separate thread. Considerable discussion has already occurred in the existing three global warming threads.

I think global wrming is too narrow. It might as well be global cooling. All environmentalism is invented as socialist propaganda.

Rush Limbaugh looks set to make $$$$ out of the chicken littles !Rush Proposes Vegas-Style Global Warming Catastrophe Wagering LinesQuoteOn his show Monday, Rush Limbaugh asks his opponents in the Great Global Warming Debate to put their money where their mouths are. Rush proposes a betting web site put up Vegas style betting lines on the different worst case scenarios posited by doomsayers Laurie David and Al Gore.

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerI think global warming is too narrow. It might as well be global cooling. All environmentalism is invented as socialist propaganda.indeed.The environmentalist extremists and chicken littles are always panicking about something.Newsweek article on climate changeQuoteBelieve it or not, over the last century America's major media have predicted an impending global climate crisis four different times – each prediction warning that entire countries would be wiped out or that lower crop yields would mean "billions will die." In 1895, the panic was over an imminent ice age. Later, in the late 1920s, when the earth’s surface warmed less than half a degree, the media jumped on a new threat – global warming, which continued into the late 1950s. Then in 1975, the New York Times' headline blared, "A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable." Then in 1981 it was back to global warming, with the Times quoting seven government atmospheric scientists who predicted global warming of an "almost unprecedented magnitude." The alarmists say the same thing every time:"the sky is falling""we only have 10 years to act"

Repent now and Be Saved!Suppose a coffin salesman called me up and said "You need to buy a coffin before it's too late!" Would Dash run along beside him and say "Yeah, you need to buy a coffin!" No, not even if I really need to buy a coffin, and the price is a once-in-a-lifetime deal! Because people want to think of themselves not just as "good," but as better than others. So they will actually prefer to attach themselves to something that is not obvious, so they can feel special because it is obvious to them, and they feel useful.The fact that it is so ridiculous just emboldens these idiots.Take somebody like TraderJoe, he loves to argue. So of course to him "global warming" is a chance to be himself. Or Dash, he wants to be like a science teacher, looked up at by wide-eyed children. So each person gets something out of it...

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerTake somebody like TraderJoe, he loves to argue.He also likes to post pictures of naked men's butts. Yuk!

I think that Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT, the world's leading climate scientist, has it in a nutshell:MIT Climate Scientist Calls Fears of Global Warming 'Silly' - Equates Concerns to ‘Little Kids’ Attempting to "Scare Each Other"

QuoteBelieve it or not, over the last century America's major media have predicted an impending global climate crisis four different times – each prediction warning that entire countries would be wiped out or that lower crop yields would mean "billions will die." In 1895, the panic was over an imminent ice age. Later, in the late 1920s, when the earth’s surface warmed less than half a degree, the media jumped on a new threat – global warming, which continued into the late 1950s. Then in 1975, the New York Times' headline blared, "A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable." Then in 1981 it was back to global warming, with the Times quoting seven government atmospheric scientists who predicted global warming of an "almost unprecedented magnitude." The Boy Who Cried Wolf

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteBelieve it or not, over the last century America's major media have predicted an impending global climate crisis four different times – each prediction warning that entire countries would be wiped out or that lower crop yields would mean "billions will die." In 1895, the panic was over an imminent ice age. Later, in the late 1920s, when the earth’s surface warmed less than half a degree, the media jumped on a new threat – global warming, which continued into the late 1950s. Then in 1975, the New York Times' headline blared, "A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable." Then in 1981 it was back to global warming, with the Times quoting seven government atmospheric scientists who predicted global warming of an "almost unprecedented magnitude." The Boy Who Cried WolfRead the facts here you nitwit.QuoteGlobal atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide have increased markedly as a result of human activities since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values determined from ice cores spanning many thousands of years (see Figure SPM.1). The global increases in carbon dioxide concentration are due primarily to fossil fuel use and land use change, while those of methane and nitrous oxide are primarily due to agriculture.Now go away.

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerRepent now and Be Saved!Suppose a coffin salesman called me up and said "You need to buy a coffin before it's too late!" Would Dash run along beside him and say "Yeah, you need to buy a coffin!" No, not even if I really need to buy a coffin, and the price is a once-in-a-lifetime deal! Because people want to think of themselves not just as "good," but as better than others. So they will actually prefer to attach themselves to something that is not obvious, so they can feel special because it is obvious to them, and they feel useful.The fact that it is so ridiculous just emboldens these idiots.Take somebody like TraderJoe, he loves to argue. So of course to him "global warming" is a chance to be himself. Or Dash, he wants to be like a science teacher, looked up at by wide-eyed children. So each person gets something out of it...And what do you get out of not acknowledging the truth ? A one way ticket to Hell, that's what !!!

On the Global Warming Mitigation thread, ppauper said on: Wed Jun 27, 07 03:14 PM: Quote ALMOST three quarters of people believe any global warming is a 'natural occurrence' and not a result of carbon emissions, a survey claimed today... There is more to this article. Besides the results of the new public poll (BTW quite different from results of some previous public polls), the article comments on the views of the vast majority of scientists. This again raises the issue of scientific consensus on the causes of global warming, which has been brought up before in different contexts. I plan to return to this topic in future posts. Here is the full article:Three Quarters Believe Global Warming A 'Natural Occurrence'Tuesday, 26th June 2007, 08:27ALMOST three quarters of people believe global warming is a 'natural occurrence' and not a result of carbon emissions, a survey claimed today.This goes against the views of the vast majority of scientists who believe the rise in the earth's temperatures is due to pollution. The online study which polled nearly 4000 votes found that a staggering 71 percent of people think that the rise in air temperature happens naturally. And 65 percent think that scientists' catastrophic predictions if pollution isn't curbed are 'far fetched'.Emma Hardcastle, publisher at Pocket Issue which carried out the research, said: "If 71% of people feel that Man has nothing to do with the recent change in our climate then those same people are not going to buy into any movement to reduce their carbon footprint. "We need to make it clear that there is nothing natural about the significant rise in both carbon emissions and global temperatures since the industrial revolution. "Pocket Issue’s brief is to help people to understand the facts, encouraging them to click through to a carbon counter as a result. "Pocket Issue feel that the poll highlights the need for government and influential bodies to concentrate on getting the public to understand the facts about global warming and ‘why’ rather than ‘how’ they should reduce their carbon footprint."The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which represents most scientists, stated earlier that the increase in global temperatures is 'very likely due to the observed increase of man-made greenhouse gas concentrations'. They define very likely as 'more than 90 percent certain'.Ref:http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?stor ... e---------

QuoteOriginally posted by: TraderJoeAnd what do you get out of not acknowledging the truth ? A one way ticket to Hell, that's what !!!No, you only get that if you get a one-way ticket to NZ.

A Partial List of Organizations and People that are Serious and Responsible About Global Warming (no Chicken Littles here) Here is a partial list of organizations and people that are serious and responsible about global warming that appear in my previous posts on the global warming threads, along with some quotes. They include eleven Academies of Science, the AGU, some military officers and a report from Sandia Labs, four Nobel prizewinners in Economics, some businesses including GM (USCAP partners), a number of US cities and states, the countries in the G8, and the 169 countries that signed and ratified the Kyoto Protocol. The list is divided into the usual three categories: Science, Impacts, and Mitigation. I don’t see a single example of the ridiculous title of this thread: Global Warming Chicken Littles, Climate Alarmists, and other Environmental Extremists. SCIENCE OF GLOBAL WARMINGJoint statement of eleven Academies of Science (US, UK, China, and 8 others) in June, 2005: Joint science academies’ statement: Global response to climate change …there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring…It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)… Long-term global efforts to create a more healthy, prosperous and sustainable world may be severely hindered by changes in the climate… Signed by the Academies of Science of the following countries: BrazilCanadaChinaFranceGermanyIndiaItalyJapanRussiaUnited KingdomUnited States of AmericaRef: http://www.academie-sciences.fr/actuali ... /G8_gb.pdf American Geophysical Union (AGU) Statement Human Impacts on Climate - Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate…The unprecedented increases in greenhouse gas concentrations, together with other human influences on climate over the past century and those anticipated for the future, constitute a real basis for concern... A Brief Introduction to AGU: For over three quarters of a century, AGU has supplied an organizational framework within which geophysicists have created the programs and products needed to advance their science. From its beginnings as the representative of American geophysicists in the international scientific community, AGU has evolved beyond parochial boundaries of nation and discipline into an active community of over 45,000 scientists from 140 countries. AGU now stands as a leader in the increasingly interdisciplinary global endeavor that encompasses the Earth and space sciences.Refs: http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/posit ... t_agu.html Other scientific organizations and laboratories around the world have adopted similar statements.IMPACTS OF GLOBAL WARMING – WATER, FOOD, MILITARY CONFLICT Sandia report Climate Change Effects on International Stability: A White PaperWith regard to climate change, we found that food consumption and casualties from natural disasters can affect conflict. For example, climate change could decrease crop yields or increase the likelihood of disasters like flooding and tidal waves, and thereby increase the instability and likelihood of conflict. Ref: http://www.cs.sandia.gov/web1433/pubscl ... _paper.pdf Global Warming May Put U.S. in Hot Water As the world warms, water _ either too little or too much of it _ is going to be the major problem for the United States, scientists and military experts said Monday. Retired Gen. Charles F. "Chuck" Wald: "One of the biggest likely areas of conflict is going to be over water," said Wald, former deputy commander of U.S. European Command. The military report's co-author, former Army Chief of Staff Gen. Gordon R. Sullivan, also pointed to sea-level rise floods as potentially destabilizing South Asia countries of Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Vietnam.Ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00239.html Spy Chief Backs Study Of Impact Of Warming Michael McConnell, director of national intelligence, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/12/washi ... MITIGATION OF GLOBAL WARMING Business Coalition for Climate Action (USCAP partners) The non-partisan USCAP urges policy makers to enact a policy framework for mandatory reductions of GHG emissions from major emitting sectors, including large stationary sources and transportation, and energy use in commercial and residential buildings... “GM is very pleased to join USCAP to proactively address the concerns posed by climate change and applauds its members for recognizing the important role that technology can play in achieving an economy-wide solution,” said Rick Wagoner, chairman and CEO of General Motors… Current USCAP members:AlcanAmerican International GroupBoston ScientificConocoPhillips Deere & Co.Dow Chemical Co.General Motors Corp.Johnson & JohnsonMarsh Inc.PepsiCoShell and Siemens Corp.AlcoaBP AmericaCaterpillarDuke EnergyDuPontFlorida Power & LightGeneral ElectricLehman BrothersPacific Gas & ElectricPNM ResourcesRef: http://www.us-cap.org/media/release_050807.pdf 522 Mayors Have Agreed To Meet Kyoto StandardsNew York is among a faction of U.S. cities from Boston to Portland, Ore., that are racing ahead of the federal government in setting carbon emission targets and developing concrete strategies to deal with climate change. Ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... tmlClimate Change, Energy Efficiency and Energy Security – Challenge and Opportunity for World Economic Growth From the G8 Summit Declaration (7 June 2007):40. Humanity today faces the key interlinked challenges of avoiding dangerous climate change and ensuring secure and stable supplies of energy. Since we met in Gleneagles, science has more clearly demonstrated that climate change is a long term challenge that has the potential to seriously damage our natural environment and the global economy. We firmly agree that resolute and concerted international action is urgently needed in order to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions and increase energy security. Tackling climate change is a shared responsibility of all, and can and must be undertaken in a way that supports growth in developing, emerging and industrialised economies, while avoiding economic distortions. G8 signatories: Governments ofCanadaFrance GermanyItalyJapanRussiaUnited KingdomUnited States. Ref: http://www.whitehouse.gov/g8/2007/g8agenda.pdf Nobel Prize Winners in Economics supporting the Stern Review There is now clear scientific evidence that emissions from economic activity, particularly the burning of fossil fuels for energy, are causing changes to the Earth´s climate. A sound understanding of the economics of climate change is needed in order to underpin an effective global response to this challenge. The Stern Review is an independent, rigourous and comprehensive analysis of the economic aspects of this crucial issue. It has been conducted by Sir Nicholas Stern, Head of the UK Government Economic Service, and a former Chief Economist of the World Bank.Review: 'The Stern Review shows us, with utmost clarity, while allowing fully for all the uncertainties, what global warming is going to mean; and what can and should be done to reduce it. It provides numbers for the economic impact, and for the necessary economic policies. It deserves the widest circulation. I wish it the greatest possible impact. Governments have a clear and immediate duty to accept the challenge it represents.'…James Mirrlees, recipient of the Nobel Prize for Economics, 1996Also see other statements by:Amartya Sen, recipient of the Nobel Prize for Economics, 1998 Joseph Stiglitz, recipient of the Nobel Prize for Economics, 2001Ref: http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/cata ... 1700801169 countries have signed and ratified the Kyoto Protocol.The Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change is an amendment to the international treaty on climate change, assigning mandatory emission limitations for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions to the signatory nations. The objective of the protocol is the "stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system."Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ky ... ignatories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol Various US State actions on global warming Across the country, states and regions are adopting policies to address climate change. These actions include increasing renewable energy generation, selling agricultural carbon sequestration credits, and encouraging energy efficiency. Such policies reduce vulnerability to energy price spikes, promote state economic development, and improve local air quality. Addressing climate change will require comprehensive national policy and international agreements. However, in the absence of federal policy, states and regions are taking the lead on developing policies that may provide models for future national efforts.Ref: http://www.pewclimate.org/what_s_being_ ... s/news.cfm As one example of US states starting to take action on global warming:Thirty-one states, representing over 70% of the U.S. population, are charter members of The Climate Registry, marking the largest national effort to take action on climate change. Statement: As a member of The Climate Registry we will work to achieve the following goals… Develop and manage a common greenhouse gas emissions reporting system with high integrity that is capable of supporting multiple greenhouse gas emissions reporting and emissions reduction policies …Ref: http://www.theclimateregistry.org/The_C ... ckage_.pdf http://www.theclimateregistry.org/principlesgoals.html http://www.theclimateregistry.org/The_C ... States.pdf ------------

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmer All environmentalism is invented as socialist propaganda.and talking about socialist propaganda,I was listening to a michigan talk radio station the other day and heard an attack ad by the environmental extremists at moveon.org.The socialists are running attack ads against democratic members of congress such as john dingell who are climate realists.The ad itself was almost hilarious: they called him a "dingell-saurus, a member of congress who's been there so long he's forgotteb about the folks who sent him there".Would that they were calling for term limits, but it was an attack ad because dingell is a climate realist.Now, I'm no fan of john dingell, but he represents a lot of folks who make cars or depend for their living on folks who make cars, so it would seem that he's doing exactly the right thing for his constituents.A suggestion to billionaire socialist george soros, the climate alarmist who is bankrolling moveon.org:if you believe in the cause so much, why not use your $$$ to come up with a more "environmentally friendly" auto instead of attacking the working men and women of the united states of america

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperQuoteOriginally posted by: farmer All environmentalism is invented as socialist propaganda.and talking about socialist propaganda,I was listening to a michigan talk radio station the other day and heard an attack ad by the environmental extremists at moveon.org.The socialists are running attack ads against democratic members of congress such as john dingell who are climate realists.The ad itself was almost hilarious: they called him a "dingell-saurus, a member of congress who's been there so long he's forgotteb about the folks who sent him there".Would that they were calling for term limits, but it was an attack ad because dingell is a climate realist.Now, I'm no fan of john dingell, but he represents a lot of folks who make cars or depend for their living on folks who make cars, so it would seem that he's doing exactly the right thing for his constituents.A suggestion to billionaire socialist george soros, the climate alarmist who is bankrolling moveon.org:if you believe in the cause so much, why not use your $$$ to come up with a more "environmentally friendly" auto instead of attacking the working men and women of the united states of americaHow about educating the working men and women of the united states of america, and not with the polluted garbage that flows out of your gob.