QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: gardener3they dont refute the existence of god, but refute the claim that earth is 4000 yrs old.Why would God create rocks (and beaches and trees and sunsets) but not dinosaur fossils? Doesn't an old rock work just as well in your argument? Or would the use of old rocks (to refute the claim that the Earth was created) more obviously expose your argument as circular?We know these rocks are old because we know how they were made. And we know how they were made because they are old? I mean, come on, are you that dumb??Actually, old rocks work just as well demonstrating that earth is not 4000 yrs old. If you are talking about some subjective matrix type metaphysical nonsense, then no you cannot refute anything. I cannot refute that universe was created yesterday, with everything in place as is, including my thoughts and memory of previous experiences. Btw, the mainstream religious nut argument is that dinosaurs roamed the earth alongside men. Although a fringe group thinks that they were placed by satan to have people question their faiths. So the religous nuts would actually think that you are nuts.