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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

May 31st, 2020, 1:56 pm

AI lacks real mathematical foundations.
 
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

May 31st, 2020, 2:05 pm

AI lacks real mathematical foundations.
"Information is information, not matter or energy."
— Norbert Wiener, Cybernetics: Or Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine

I am heading out to help my sister on the farm.  

Do vegetables and flowers have mathematical foundations?  

Does horse manure?  

I think it does!  HS  or H(S) has a role in both physics and physical processes related to dirt and flowers and vegetables too!

While I am gone, please lay out your perspective on math and AI in detail. Extra points for links to the relevant literature.  
That is the basis for meaningful discussion and not a bunch of Wilmottian handwaving, however popular that may be. : )

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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

May 31st, 2020, 2:10 pm

AI got off on the wrong footing; it was dominated by computer scientists and visionary alchemists.

Even the hullabaloo with XOR and perceptron could have been solved by Banach before schnapps time. (mathematicians prove first that something exists before wasting their time on fata morganas).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperplane_separation_theorem#Counterexamples_and_uniqueness

And Support Vector Machines (SVM) is just an example of the Hahn-Banach separation theorem.

And that's just the way it is. However, the train has left the station but watch out for quicksand. The underlying maths is anaemic.

A better approach is Geometric Functional Analysis.
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

May 31st, 2020, 2:23 pm

Be seeing you!
Have a nice weekend.  I am in my lonely room grading 22 MSc projects.

when you get back try this

"why did Perceptron not work, REALLY"

or
"Suggest how you would resolve the staging difficulties inherent in a production of Ibsen's Peer Gynt", 

or

"Will topology be AI's saviour?"
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

May 31st, 2020, 2:42 pm

Be seeing you!
Have a nice weekend.  I am in my lonely room grading 22 MSc projects.

when you get back try this

"why did Perceptron not work, REALLY"

or
"Suggest how you would resolve the staging difficulties inherent in a production of Ibsen's Peer Gynt", 
I'll be back! and any good books or paper you recommend - will look them over.

Here is an equation for you to complete our morning's excursion with a recursion:

NYC '67 Algorithm

NYC*67 = ((JC + SM + MT + LR + N)/N) +/- sqrt AW = B

fact(NYC) 
= 1 if NYC = B
= n*fact(NYC-1) if NYC < B
             
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and a song too:

Sunday Morning - VU and Nico
 
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

May 31st, 2020, 2:57 pm

See my videos on Functional Analysis.
 
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

May 31st, 2020, 7:38 pm

I have nothing against hypes in general, they are inherent to every field of human life that was infected with progress. My only problem with the AI hype is that its inspirators claim that these methods "work" and we can start to deploy them. Since using them requires very little brain and effort, it's tempting to believe them.
I wouldn't be so annoyed if it was just about Starcraft. Actually, no, they chose the wrong game! They lied that they beat Starcraft. The human player, after a fair tournament, could easily discover the weaknesses of the algorithm and exploit them.
Anyway, I think we need a lot more technological progress to develop AI methods applicable to problems more complex than scanning cheques. In the meantime I will adapt Trackstar's approach - zen and losing the lockdown weight.
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

June 6th, 2020, 11:47 pm

Seal - Kiss from a Rose

I heard it on the radio today while making my Ukrainian pizza. What is he singing about?

There used to be a greying tower alone on the sea
You became the light on the dark side of me
Love remained a drug that's the high and not the pill
But did you know that when it snows
My eyes become large and the light that you shine can be seen?
Baby, I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the grey
Ooh, the more I get of you, the stranger it feels, yeah
Now that your rose is in bloom
A light hits the gloom on the grey
There is so much a man can tell you, so much he can say
You remain my power, my pleasure, my pain
Baby, to me, you're like a growing addiction that I can't deny
Won't you tell me, is that healthy, baby?
But did you know that when it snows
My eyes become large and the light that you shine can be seen?
Baby, I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the grey
Ooh, the more I get of you, the stranger it feels, yeah
Now that your rose is in bloom
A light hits the gloom on the grey
I've been kissed by a rose on the grey
I've been kissed by a rose on the grey
And if I should fall, will it all go away?
I've been kissed by a rose on the grey
There is so much a man can tell you, so much he can say
You remain my power, my pleasure, my pain
To me, you're like a growing, addiction that I can't deny
Won't you tell me, is that healthy, baby?
But did you know that when it snows
My eyes become large, and the light that you shine can be seen?
Baby, I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the grey
Ooh, the more I get of you, the stranger it feels, yeah
Now that your rose is in bloom
A light hits the gloom on the grey
Yes I compare you to a kiss from a rose on the grey
Ooh, the more I get of you stranger it feels, yeah
And now that your rose is in bloom
A light hits the gloom on the grey
Now that your rose is in bloom
A light hits the gloom on the grey

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(The eyebrows are real if you wondered. It's Sam the Cat.)

And why is his artistic pseudonym Seal? Like animal seals?

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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

June 7th, 2020, 8:34 am

weightlifters? Too much spare time. They look pretty unhealthy.

And you can't fool me .. you used  a permanent black marker on that poor cat.
 
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

June 8th, 2020, 2:02 am

The Navy Seals look very healthy. Not vegan for sure, though, so not on my menu - I'll stick to carrots.

Ha! I wasn't the only one who suspected that the cheesy 1994 Seal song is about cocaine.

Btw, Sam isn't my cat and his human claims that the eyebrows are natural. Sam is the Internet celebrity. Leela and I still haven't managed to break the Internet :-(
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

June 8th, 2020, 7:50 am

The Navy Seals look very healthy. Not vegan for sure, though, so not on my menu - I'll stick to carrots.

Ha! I wasn't the only one who suspected that the cheesy 1994 Seal song is about cocaine.

Btw, Sam isn't my cat and his human claims that the eyebrows are natural. Sam is the Internet celebrity. Leela and I still haven't managed to break the Internet :-(
Still, you made it on Wilmott, and if you can made it there you can make it anywhere, what?

BTW have you tried hoolahoop?

BTW I have never seen a judoka with such body mass, it is distributed wrong ... must be the water.

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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

June 8th, 2020, 2:37 pm

Ruska's hands seem longer than his legs!
 
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

June 8th, 2020, 3:31 pm

Ruska's hands seem longer than his legs!
He had the best hand technique (te waza) of any judoka I have ever seen and experienced (I was his uke (fall guy!) at his club Oyama for more than 3 years).
Small remark: He donated the name and all his photos to new Oyama club (of which I am also a member. Feels like being last of Mohicans).

One of my judo friends built this site in his honour.

https://www.willemruska.nl/
 
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

June 8th, 2020, 4:13 pm

I've just checked that they both died young: Ruska at 75 and Geesink at 76. Ruska had a major stroke which left him paralysed for the last 14 years of his life... It seems that judokas experience strokes (no pun intended) more often. Remembering our discussion about Floyd's murder, would it be something to do with shime waza?
 
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Re: A Music Game II for 2009

June 8th, 2020, 4:15 pm

yeah.
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