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2016 olympics: Rio

October 2nd, 2009, 6:25 pm

rio gets the gamesevidently the obamas couldn't sway the vote
 
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October 2nd, 2009, 10:25 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperrio gets the gamesevidently the obamas couldn't sway the voteI had a hunch that Rio would won. It has nothing to do with Obamas. Evidently there was Atlanta in 1996 and Los Angeles in 1984. You cant have 3 out of 8 Olympics in the US. Spain and Japan had their Olympics. On the other hand, there were never Olympics in Latin America.
 
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2016 olympics: Rio

October 2nd, 2009, 10:33 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: AnthisQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperrio gets the gamesevidently the obamas couldn't sway the voteI had a hunch that Rio would won. It has nothing to do with Obamas. Evidently there was Atlanta in 1996 and Los Angeles in 1984. You cant have 3 out of 8 Olympics in the US. Spain and Japan had their Olympics. On the other hand, there were never Olympics in Latin America.Except for the Mexico City games in 1968. But I do agree that Rio was the better choice.BTW, does the host city/state/country make money off of the Olympics? I can't imagine that the substantive amounts of money spent such narrowly-useful capital equipment (multiple sports stadia) actually produce a useful return. Maybe this is part of the economic returns to statues and monuments.....
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October 2nd, 2009, 11:08 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: AnthisQuoteOriginally posted by: ppauperrio gets the gamesevidently the obamas couldn't sway the voteI had a hunch that Rio would won. It has nothing to do with Obamas. Evidently there was Atlanta in 1996 and Los Angeles in 1984. You cant have 3 out of 8 Olympics in the US. Spain and Japan had their Olympics. On the other hand, there were never Olympics in Latin America.Except for the Mexico City games in 1968. But I do agree that Rio was the better choice.BTW, does the host city/state/country make money off of the Olympics? I can't imagine that the substantive amounts of money spent such narrowly-useful capital equipment (multiple sports stadia) actually produce a useful return. Maybe this is part of the economic returns to statues and monuments.....Olympics is much more than sports venues.A classic case study is Barcelona 1992. As an Athens resident I can say that the city is much better now than before the games. The games as an event had just break even, but i dont know what expenses have been accounted into this calculation. The only certain thing is that certain properties from the Olympics portfolio have been missmanaged especially post Olympics. For example, the Olympic village houses, the campus where athletes used to live during olympics, were donated to working class people without home ownership. Many of them returned to their old rented homes, because this village was built without foresight for its post olympic use. It lacked certain neighbourhood elements, such as stores, schools for the kids, plus it was isolated from the rest of the urban tissue, problems that nobody seemed to care to correct.
 
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October 3rd, 2009, 12:11 pm

Yes, some of the transportation and housing infrastructure can be readily reused if the preplanning ensures adequate connections to the urban tissue.Another interesting facet of Olympic investments is the time-bounded nature of them. The fixed timing of the games forces the government and construction sectors to complete the project within a strict deadline which reduces dithering and time-related cost-overruns. (Of course, it also incurs overtime and may lead to shoddy workmanship).But the biggest over-investment is in all the venues required for holding all the simultaneous sporting events. For example, the Beijing Olympics required 31 venues including 12 new permanent venues and 8 temporary ones. I wonder if the Olympics would be more cost-effective if more of the events where held sequentially over a longer duration requiring a smaller number of venues?
 
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October 3rd, 2009, 4:08 pm

Strict deadlines and the rigidies they impose, is a factor contributing to cost overruns. Careful planning is a must. On the other hand, there are plenty of unforseen factors and events and things that are demanded virtually in the last minute. For example in Athens Olympics post 9/11 there was an increased demand for extremme security measures. It was a good chance for certain governments and companies to extort the host country to buy weapons and security systems. That was an unforseen expense the time the games hosting was taken. Moreover, there was a mobilisation of more than 100K men of the armed forces, to assist the security forces, I was one of them, in order to guard even the most improbable targets, by land, sea, and air. From sealing venues, guarding bridges, fuel, power and chemical plants, even forests not to catch a fire. Albeit plans were such that the armed forces were acting on the background, not to be visible by media and civilians, this mobilisation was an additional cost born by the government. Also the health care system was on alert ready to cope even the most improbable hazzards. At the same time, a number of other people indirectly was forced to take holidays away from the city. These costs are significant that cant be capitalized. Venues of less popular sports such as table tennis or tae kwon do, are nt 100% waste of money if their design, planning and management is right both before and after the games. On the other hand, games apart from improving the host city's infrastructure, make the city an attractive tourist destination not only during the games but also for many years after them.
 
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October 3rd, 2009, 6:41 pm

LA made money by using existing venuesMontreal is still paying for the 76 gamesGiving games to 3rd world countries is problematic -- when the soccer world cup went to the US, it had been awarded to latin america and they couldn't deliver so the US stepped in to fill the gap
 
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November 17th, 2016, 1:41 pm

OCI will not pay Pat Hickey's €410k court bond
 http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1117/832428-pat-hickey-oci/
 
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November 17th, 2016, 1:54 pm

OCI will not pay Pat Hickey's €410k court bond
 http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1117/832428-pat-hickey-oci/
pretty obviously, if he gets out of  Brazil, he's not going back?
€410k seems an awful high bond for ticket touting
 
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November 17th, 2016, 4:57 pm

OCI will not pay Pat Hickey's €410k court bond
 http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1117/832428-pat-hickey-oci/
pretty obviously, if he gets out of  Brazil, he's not going back?
€410k seems an awful high bond for ticket touting
Yeah, a lot of money.
 
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December 19th, 2016, 9:14 am

so is he going to return to brazil for a trial?
 
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December 19th, 2016, 2:45 pm

that's s small slap on the wrist
btw, wiki: International Boxing Association (amateur)
In November 1946, a consensus was met to give way for the boxing governing body to regain the loss of credibility due to the behaviour of some leading officials in World War II
any ideas as to what that behavior was? the link they give doesn't shed any light at all
 
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December 19th, 2016, 3:21 pm

There's no hope for amateur boxing. Who won this match?
Same happened our former Trinity College boxing coach Fred Tiedt who also was robbed of the gold medal place at the Melboune Olympics.