gardener3 - you are quite a piece of work!Don't just stop at criticizing me for accusing you of something. Doggone it, answer the damned accusation. Have you or have you not lived a lifetime in a muslim country? Let's say, have you lived continuously for 10 or more years in a muslim country? It is true that I have made an assumption without any direct evidence. You can always prove me wrong by answering accordingly. But you don't give a direct answer to the accusation and all you focus on is my so-called logical error, that is merely an assumption. Now, show me how logical you are and answer the damned question: Have you or have you not lived a lifetime (10+ years) in a muslim country?And it is apparent even to you, if you are capable of a smidgen of honesty, that I accused you of lying in relation to your implied claim that you have lived a lifetime in an atheist country (being the main point of comparison) or community. Just go back and for once exercise a bit of precision and look at your own earlier statement about having lived a lifetime amongst atheists. Living amongst atheists is not the same as living in an atheist community or country. So, back to the question: What community or country of atheists did you live day and night for 10 or more years? And, you can also tell how long you lived continuously in such a community. Go for it.QuoteOriginally posted by: gardener3QuoteBy every passing comment, you show yourself to be a "classic case of a self-satisfied agent of annoyance", repeatably so!Have you ever lived a lifetime in a muslim country? You have not. I have.Have you ever lived a lifetime in an atheist country? No one has. Not even you.So it is a lie to say of yourself that "I've also lived "lifetime" amongst atheists". Where, what community of atheists did you live amongst night and day for a lifetime? None!You are a liar.Not only you do not have the decency to acknowledge your misrepresentation of what I said earlier (e.g., "lifetime"), but you go on the offensive to amplify your attack from "couple of people" thingy to the notion that even a lifetime does not suffice to form a legit observation. So, we can't get an honest acknowledgment from you.You made a hefty statement when you wrote: "you would not have the experience to characterize a range of people from a poor uyghur farmer in china to a rich muslim banker in Istanbul." So, I wonder can anyone say anything about any group of people? Is it possible to extract the muslimness of, say "uyghur farmer", by studying it? Isn't Islam a way of life? Would it be fair to ask whether anthropologists and sociologist are out of work? So, how can we resolve the situation? I mean: how can we form legitimate observations and assertions about people espousing certain beliefs and dogged behavior based on those beliefs? So, when 'every' muslim doggedly defends the holiness (or divinity) of their prophet Mohammed even when we show that the dude said or did some awful things, what are we to make of that? Look, this whole thing really began when I challenged the poster Owais, a muslim, to read THE TERRORS OF ISLAM. He hasn't come back yet, and he never will. Why do you think that is so? Why don't you prod Owais to learn something? It's his muslimness that prevents him from reading a single page critical of Islam. I will read the Quran anytime: I want to and I will. Just not now, I am busy doing other things and can't spend time reading a whole book, as opposed to a single page. You seem incapable of basic reasoning. How do you know that I have or have not lived a lifetime in a muslim country? Yet, after you write this, you accuse me of lying and misrepresentation. I guess consistentcy is not your thing. I don't care much for anectodal stories when someone is making claims about a billion people. Couple people and a lifetime are similar - doesn't matter whether you divide 100 or 10 by a billion. What you have said is no different than "I have lived a lifetime amongst blacks, I know these people. They are a bunch of lazy stupid people" Or, "I have lived a lifetime amongst jews, they are a bunch of penny pinchers who only take care of theirown". There are a dozen assumptions and basic logical errors in that statement, and I have pointed out only one. And after that you started calling me names, again something you accuse me of doing. There is no logic in anything you write and I am done arguing with you.
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