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March 22nd, 2010, 8:00 pm

Remember, all religions are the same, all religions are the same, all religions are the same.QuoteIslamabad (AsiaNews) – Arshed Masih, 38, is still fighting for his life in Holy Family Hospital in Rawalpindi, a city not far from Pakistan’s capital. With the help of police, Muslim extremists last Friday set him on fire for refusing to convert to Islam and raped his wife, local sources told AsiaNews. The incident occurred in front of a local police station.In 2005, Masih and his wife began working for a wealthy Muslim businessman, he as driver and she as his wife’s maid. Recently, the two fell out of favour with their employer and his family because they insisted on remaining Christian.During the incident, Masih’s wife, Martha, “was raped by police agents,” local sources said. The couple’s three children, ranging in age from 7 and 12, were forced to watch their parents being brutalised.“Masih and his wife are currently being treated in hospital,” Holy Family Hospital officials said. “He was listed in serious condition with about 80 per cent of his body burned,” the BosNewsLife agency reported. With that kind of burns, hospital officials said the 38-year-old victim (pictured) is not likely to survive.On Sunday, the Government of Punjab government announced an investigation into what happened. “The matter will be investigated and the culprits will be arrested,” Punjab’s Minister of Law Rana Sanaullah said.The Christian couple lived with their children in the servant quarters of Sheikh Mohammad Sultan’s estate in Rawalpindi. In January, religious leaders and Sultan reportedly told Arshed to convert to Islam with his whole family. After he refused, they threatened him with "dire consequences".Arshed offered to quit his job, but the businessman allegedly said he would "kill" him if he were to leave.Last week, tensions rose after Sultan reported the theft of 500,000 Pakistani rupees (almost US$ 6,000), and an official complaint (First Information Report) was filed with police.Although the Christian couple was not named as suspect, the businessman offered them to drop the case if they converted to Islam or "else that both would not see their children again."The rest is known. Arshed Masih chose to remain loyal to his Christian faith, and last Friday he was set on fire and his wife raped by police.Federal Minority Minister Shahbaz Batti, a Catholic, has so far refused to make any comment because he was “busy”. He did say however, that he would issue a statement in the next few days.Christian organisations in Rawalpindi and Lahore planned protests for today.
 
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March 23rd, 2010, 7:38 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: HamiltonRemember, all religions are the same, all religions are the same, all religions are the same.No. People do all sorts of unspeakable things in the name of religion. In that matter all religions are the same.
 
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March 23rd, 2010, 1:43 pm

If my tramp Catholic wife seduced five policemen, I would probably commit suicide also. The real question is how are they going to punish this tramp?
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March 23rd, 2010, 4:53 pm

QuotePakistan’s President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (1977-1988) implemented the Hudood Ordinances in 1979. Hudood crimes are those considered most serious in Islamic law. These laws returned the crime of rape to the realm of Islamic law, making a rape victim liable to being prosecuted for adultery if she could not produce four male Muslim witnesses who would testify that they had actually witnessed the rape.This law comes from the Qur’an. Accusations of adultery against Muhammad’s favorite wife, Aisha, and Muhammad’s desire to exonerate her brought about the requirement that four male Muslim witnesses must be produced in order to establish a crime of adultery or other sexual indiscretions: “Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah” (Qur’an 24:13; see also 24:4 and Bukhari, vol. 3, book 52, no. 2661).Aisha’s own word counted for nothing to establish the falsity of the accusations against her -- so to this day Islamic law restricts the validity of a woman’s testimony, particularly in cases involving sexual immorality. Says the Qur’an: “Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses; so that if either of them commit an error, the other will remember” (2:282). And Islamic legal theorists have restricted women’s testimony even farther, limiting it to, in the words of one Muslim legal manual, “cases involving property, or transactions dealing with property, such as sales” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o24.8). Otherwise only men can testify.
 
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March 23rd, 2010, 5:00 pm

QuotePakistan’s President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (1977-1988) implemented the Hudood Ordinances in 1979. Hudood crimes are those considered most serious in Islamic lawYes, but European Christians murdered 12.3 billion witches.
 
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March 24th, 2010, 10:00 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: HamiltonQuotePakistan’s President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (1977-1988) implemented the Hudood Ordinances in 1979. Hudood crimes are those considered most serious in Islamic lawYes, but European Christians murdered 12.3 billion witches.Where did this statistic come from? I thought the population of Europe was not much more than 100MM during the 1600s.
 
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March 24th, 2010, 10:22 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: rmaxQuoteOriginally posted by: HamiltonQuotePakistan’s President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (1977-1988) implemented the Hudood Ordinances in 1979. Hudood crimes are those considered most serious in Islamic lawYes, but European Christians murdered 12.3 billion witches.Where did this statistic come from? I thought the population of Europe was not much more than 100MM during the 1600s.I think Hamilton is using base XXVIII addressing.
 
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March 24th, 2010, 2:10 pm

QuoteI think Hamilton is using base XXVIII addressing. I stand corrected. I meant to say 200 billion.(All religions are the same, all religions are the same, all religions are the same)
 
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March 24th, 2010, 2:15 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: HamiltonQuoteI think Hamilton is using base XXVIII addressing. I stand corrected. I meant to say 200 billion.How do you know she is a witch? Because she looks like one.
 
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March 24th, 2010, 2:18 pm

QuoteHow do you know she is a witch? Because she looks like one.Cuch, you are a sexist AND an infidel. Who said all witches are women?Better make sure Trackstar isn't packing heat and coming after you withsome Glaser Safety Slugs
 
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March 24th, 2010, 2:23 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: HamiltonQuoteHow do you know she is a witch? Because she looks like one.Cuch, you are a sexist AND an infidel. Who said all witches are women?Better make sure Trackstar isn't packing heat and coming after you withsome Glaser Safety SlugsQuoteVILLAGER #2: Burn!VILLAGER #1: Burn!CROWD: Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...BEDEVERE: And what do you burn apart from witches?VILLAGER #1: More witches!more proofQuoteBEDEVERE: What makes you think she is a witch?VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt.BEDEVERE: A newt?VILLAGER #3: I got better.VILLAGER #2: Burn her anyway!
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March 24th, 2010, 2:37 pm

Hope Floats.
 
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March 24th, 2010, 2:56 pm

As do blocks of wood and...witches!Monty Python and the Holy Grail - Shes a Witch! Why do witches burn? Errr, because they're made of wood?
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March 27th, 2010, 9:55 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuotePakistan’s President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (1977-1988) implemented the Hudood Ordinances in 1979. Hudood crimes are those considered most serious in Islamic law. These laws returned the crime of rape to the realm of Islamic law, making a rape victim liable to being prosecuted for adultery if she could not produce four male Muslim witnesses who would testify that they had actually witnessed the rape.This law comes from the Qur’an. Accusations of adultery against Muhammad’s favorite wife, Aisha, and Muhammad’s desire to exonerate her brought about the requirement that four male Muslim witnesses must be produced in order to establish a crime of adultery or other sexual indiscretions: “Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah” (Qur’an 24:13; see also 24:4 and Bukhari, vol. 3, book 52, no. 2661).Aisha’s own word counted for nothing to establish the falsity of the accusations against her -- so to this day Islamic law restricts the validity of a woman’s testimony, particularly in cases involving sexual immorality. Says the Qur’an: “Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses; so that if either of them commit an error, the other will remember” (2:282). And Islamic legal theorists have restricted women’s testimony even farther, limiting it to, in the words of one Muslim legal manual, “cases involving property, or transactions dealing with property, such as sales” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o24.8). Otherwise only men can testify.Wilmotters will recall that the holy prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9.The fact that she was "his favorite wife" speaks volumes.The American Psychiatric Association’s DSM-IV-TR defines pedophilia as "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children" where the adult has "acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty."
 
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March 27th, 2010, 9:57 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: rmaxQuoteOriginally posted by: HamiltonQuotePakistan’s President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (1977-1988) implemented the Hudood Ordinances in 1979. Hudood crimes are those considered most serious in Islamic lawYes, but European Christians murdered 12.3 billion witches.Where did this statistic come from? I thought the population of Europe was not much more than 100MM during the 1600s.It was 12.4B, 12.3B of whom were witches.Once we'd killed all the witches, that leaves 100M
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