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CrashedMint
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August 4th, 2011, 7:26 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintI can't tell you when it becomes a person, cause well, nobody can which kinda proves nothing.... you are not a kook like Fermion or Marsden. Even your vanity is a young-person thing. It is not a creepy the-killer-is-probably-a-white-male-in-his-thirties vanity like t4a.so there is hope for me?
 
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August 4th, 2011, 11:00 am

"creepy the-killer-is-probably-a-white-male-in-his-thirties vanity"? Dunno, could it be a little harsh? There are some cretins on this board who declare anyone racist or fascist the second they disagree with some statement, it'd be too bad if this style rubs off on you. I am not too religious, so maybe i am wrong, but i read the gospels and i don't remember Jesus saying "thou shal not make abortions" or saying that aborting a fetus is equal to killing man. It maybe the interpretation of Catholic Church, or Rush Limbaugh, it maybe your interpretation, but some of these could occasionally be wrong.
 
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August 4th, 2011, 11:32 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerIt is not a creepy the-killer-is-probably-a-white-male-in-his-thirties vanity like t4a.So rationality is creepy to you?It sounds like you want to abdicate your fundamental right (and responsibility!) to think about your actions and their complete consequences (and reflect on the limits of doing so, too). You'd prefer to delegate that to some ancient self-contradictory text amalgamated from a hodgepodge of religions from a land that bears little similarity to today's global technological world.I wonder if you have an intellectual or philosophical reason for originally choosing your religion. Or is it just something you latched onto (or was fed to you by your parents). And the exercise of trying to defend it in an intellectual way came after.
 
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August 4th, 2011, 1:00 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaI wonder if you have an intellectual or philosophical reason for originally choosing your religion. Or is it just something you latched onto (or was fed to you by your parents). And the exercise of trying to defend it in an intellectual way came after.People would not be endowed by God with the ability to latch onto stuff, if it were not critical to their survival, as is the case with Christian memes. But mimicry, like a car or any other tool, can be misapplied.
 
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August 4th, 2011, 1:15 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaI wonder if you have an intellectual or philosophical reason for originally choosing your religion. Or is it just something you latched onto (or was fed to you by your parents). And the exercise of trying to defend it in an intellectual way came after.People would not be endowed by God with the ability to latch onto stuff, if it were not critical to their survival, as is the case with Christian memes. But mimicry, like a car or any other tool, can be misapplied.Very true! In the short-term, the amount of friction, waste, and strife in a society is a function of the excess diversity of memes in that society. A uniform predictability of behaviours and norms makes life easier. And yet, in the long-term, meme monocultures are fragile if the world changes and the old memes become unsuitable.So which memes should one latch on to? By what process does one pick among the sets of Christian memes, Muslim memes, Hindu memes, Socialist memes, Capitalist memes, scientist memes, etc.?
 
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August 4th, 2011, 1:38 pm

Don't forget the Chaos Theory and God(s) Rolling Dice memes.Imagine that every day a somewhat neutral but somewhat capricious god rolls the dice with you.You could win the lottery, die in a car accident, fall in love, be rejected, become pregnant by your new lover, or by immaculate conception. Or many other events from the trivial to the profound.How do you frame a moral, or at least spiritual, philosophy to handle this array of possibilities, many of which you have a very small amount of control over and the "big picture" is beyond your field of vision, if it exists at all.
 
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August 4th, 2011, 1:57 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: trackstarDon't forget the Chaos Theory and God(s) Rolling Dice memes.This seems reminiscent of the fatalist/hedonistic cultures that give us such delicacies as deep-fried Snickers bars and burgers made on Krisy Kreme donuts.If nothing one does can influence the outcomes of future events, then one might as well live a self-indulgent ambition-free life.The more intriguing issue is under what conditions would such a meme set be stable and successful.
 
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August 5th, 2011, 2:41 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4Alphareminiscent of the fatalist/hedonistic culturesIn such a culture, can I skewer my dog to death with an abortion tool? Poke a hole in his living skull and squish the brains out? Because I know the exact moment when a dog becomes a human being: never.
 
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August 5th, 2011, 2:54 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4Alphareminiscent of the fatalist/hedonistic culturesIn such a culture, can I skewer my dog to death with an abortion tool? Poke a hole in his living skull and squish the brains out?I wouldn't know. I live in a culture where it's illegal to dye your dog's hair.
 
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August 5th, 2011, 3:07 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4Alphareminiscent of the fatalist/hedonistic culturesIn such a culture, can I skewer my dog to death with an abortion tool? Poke a hole in his living skull and squish the brains out? Because I know the exact moment when a dog becomes a human being: never.I think the debate about abortion is when the foetus becomes a living thing, not when it becomes a human being.So to answer your question, No you couldn't do that to your dog, but if your dog got pregnant you might be able to do it to the unborn pups if you wanted.It would certainly be an interesting legal case to follow, would it count as animal cruelty or not? People neuter their pets, that medical procedure is not generally considered cruel, in fact animal charities recommend it. But that is preventative, rather than reactive surgery. And I'm only refering to the mother, good luck in defending the rights of the unborn pup. For the most part, not even the Christian right would care.
 
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August 7th, 2011, 3:01 am

QuoteBoehner presided over the biggest capitulation to unlimited government in our lifetime. He had an opportunity to force Washington to live within its means beginning this year. Instead, he pushed a phony 10-year deal that only results in ever-growing government and red ink as far as the eye can see.
 
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August 31st, 2011, 1:43 pm

Andre Carson: Tea party wants blacks 'hanging on a tree'QuoteA top lawmaker in the Congressional Black Caucus says tea partiers on Capitol Hill would like to see African-Americans hanging from trees and accuses the movement of wishing for a return to the Jim Crow era.Rep. Andre Carson, a Democrat from Indiana who serves as the CBC?s chief vote counter, said at a CBC event in Miami that some in Congress would ?love to see us as second-class citizens? and ?some of them in Congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you and me ... hanging on a tree.?Carson, who represents Indianapolis, is the second Muslim to ever serve in Congress. He has been in office since 2008 and took the seat that was held by his late grandmother ? Democratic Rep. Julia Carson.
 
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August 31st, 2011, 1:47 pm

as a result:Rep. West 'reconsiders' Congressional Black Caucus membership