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February 14th, 2012, 12:52 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: rmaxQuoteOriginally posted by: ExSanQuoteOriginally posted by: rmaxCats and horses defecate everwhere. Dog owners have to pick it up in a plastic bag. Go figure.cats love their homesdogs love their ownersSpoken like a typical cat owner (I don't own a dog either). Cat owners say that their cat is very clean and doesn't defecate except in a litter tray sometimes. THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS SHITING IN MY GARDEN.LOL - And yes, I remember the Jack Dee quote.
 
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February 14th, 2012, 12:55 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: trackstarCats are subtle with their love; it is a gaze, with slow blinking eyes, or a brush of their tail across your hand when you are on your laptop and they pass by to visit you.Dogs just go all out all the time - bark bark bark jump jump jump.Which form of love you prefer says alot about you. Dogs are stupid and blindly loyal. Cats are smart and you have to earn their love and respect ("You don't chose a cat, it choses you").We've heard from the cat people, I think we need some dog people to speak up. I'm sure Farmer's input would be invaluable.
 
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February 14th, 2012, 1:02 pm

My favorite cat story was the quote from the owner of the grand prize winner in the local cat show:Quote"Our cat is wonderful, it's just like a dog"
 
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February 14th, 2012, 1:03 pm

QuoteEddie Izzard on Cats and DogsCats have a scam going ? you buy the food, they eat the food, they go away; that's the deal. You have no control over your cat! You can't say to your cat, "Cat, heel! Stay! Wait! Lie down! Roll over!" 'Cause the cat's just gonna be sitting there going, "Interesting words ? have you finished?" While you're shouting all this to your cat, your dog's next to you, going ? [mimes obeying all commands] "What the hell are you doing? I'm talking to the cat!" "Oh, I'm sorry!" And cats leap up walls! Six foot walls, they just go ? *fwang* [mimes cat jumping] Lands perfectly, and turn ? turn ? and back flip and forward flip, and dismount! They always land perfectly, they never do that sort of wobbly-gymnast ? [mimes wobbling] You never see cats on a wall having a problem, do you? You never see a cat going, [mimes tentative walk] "Fucking 'ell! I'm not sure about this ?" and a cat on the ground, going, "Easy, Ginger! I'll walk you down!" We throw sticks at dogs, that's the level we have dogs at. You'd never dream of throwing one for a cat. We throw sticks for dogs, and dogs go, "Oh, he's dropped his stick! I better go and get that. [mimes chasing after the stick] Saw you dropped your stick there, thought I'd bring it back. And you ? hang on! [mimes giving the stick back and follows it with eyes as it's thrown again] Did you see me just bring that back? And then you ? you dropped it again? This is very weird. I don't know what's going on here. [mimes bringing the stick back again] Now, hang on to it this time, I don't want to piss about all the time. You think I enjoy this? There you ? don't fucking throw it!" That's why the third time, when they come back, they won't give it to you. They go, [through clenched teeth] "No ? I won't let you take it!"
 
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February 14th, 2012, 1:04 pm

Legally speaking, letting a cat out that maims or kills the wildlife seems like negligent animal cruelty. The cat's owner may not have done the deed themselves, but it was a foreseeable consequence of the cat owner's actions.
 
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February 14th, 2012, 1:27 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaLegally speaking, letting a cat out that maims or kills the wildlife seems like negligent animal cruelty. The cat's owner may not have done the deed themselves, but it was a foreseeable consequence of the cat owner's actions.Legally, animal rights laws seem a bit vague and confused globally. It is normally a strange, patch-work mixture of "human right" style legislation and property law, based on which animals we feel are an essential part of our agriculture and sporting industries, which ones are part of our cultural heritage and which ones we think look cute.If you believe in reincarnation, I'd recommend coming back as a Panda (comfortable life in captivity being encouraged to procreate as much as possible) rather than a whale or a rhino. Or perhaps a Cow in India, rather than a prized bull in Spain.
 
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February 14th, 2012, 1:49 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: hayesIf you believe in reincarnation, I'd recommend coming back as a Panda (comfortable life in captivity being encouraged to procreate as much as possible) rather than a whale or a rhino. Or perhaps a Cow in India, rather than a prized bull in Spain.But Panda's only get to shag once every 10 years or something.Best bet is male lion: harem that does all the hunting and killing for you, and you get to shag every 20 mins (obviously I will just have to live with the downgrade in performance )
 
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February 14th, 2012, 2:21 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: hayesQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaLegally speaking, letting a cat out that maims or kills the wildlife seems like negligent animal cruelty. The cat's owner may not have done the deed themselves, but it was a foreseeable consequence of the cat owner's actions.Legally, animal rights laws seem a bit vague and confused globally. It is normally a strange, patch-work mixture of "human right" style legislation and property law, based on which animals we feel are an essential part of our agriculture and sporting industries, which ones are part of our cultural heritage and which ones we think look cute.Who said the law was rational? Yet we seem to have to live within its constraints.If I built a device that went around catching small animals and repeatedly piercing their flesh with needles and blades over a prolonged period, I'd probably be arrested (even if I subsequently rescued and resuscitated the maimed creatures). What is a cat but the least humane of rat traps?QuoteOriginally posted by: hayesIf you believe in reincarnation, I'd recommend coming back as a Panda (comfortable life in captivity being encouraged to procreate as much as possible).Only if I can have blue cheese dressing and bacon bits on my bamboo! Otherwise, no thanks.It really seems like "house cat" is the best choice for reincarnation: free food, no responsibilities, petting only when I want it, free cat toys, a slave to do all the cleaning, etc.
 
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February 14th, 2012, 2:30 pm

Just So Stories: The Cat that Walked by Itself
 
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February 14th, 2012, 2:45 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: rmaxQuoteOriginally posted by: hayesIf you believe in reincarnation, I'd recommend coming back as a Panda (comfortable life in captivity being encouraged to procreate as much as possible) rather than a whale or a rhino. Or perhaps a Cow in India, rather than a prized bull in Spain.But Panda's only get to shag once every 10 years or something.I love Panda's for that though. We go to such incredible efforts to make Panda's breed. We give them special exercises, diets, even show videos of "Panda porn" so they know what to do, and then when we fly a female panda from across the other side of the world the male panda just decides he can't be bothered.I'd love to be that indifferent about something so non-trivial.
 
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February 14th, 2012, 2:51 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaOnly if I can have blue cheese dressing and bacon bits on my bamboo! Otherwise, no thanks.I'll see what I can do......QuoteIt really seems like "house cat" is the best choice for reincarnation: free food, no responsibilities, petting only when I want it, free cat toys, a slave to do all the cleaning, etc.And as you've just pointed out, a level of legal immunity from prosecution that would be the envy of a Russian Prime Minister/ President. (Although to be fair, I'm sure he could also run into the woods and kill small birds and mammals without fear of punishment if he really wanted to)
 
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February 14th, 2012, 2:57 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: hayesLegally, animal rights laws seem a bit vague and confused globally. It is normally a strange, patch-work mixture of "human right" style legislation and property law, based on which animals we feel are an essential part of our agriculture and sporting industries, which ones are part of our cultural heritage and which ones we think look cute.I thought animal rights were supposed to regulate how humans treat animals, and not how animals treat other animals?I have always encouraged my cats to hunt. Rats and mice get a ridiculous amount of babies each year, precisely because so many of them get eaten by predators. If anyone found a way to decrease their birthrate I suppose we could breed cats that were less prone to treat smaller animals like an amusement park. My family also invite local hunters to our property each fall (to shoot deer and moose). But the problem with fox hunting is, IMHO, that the focus is on the chase and not on the kill/management of fox population. And since most people I know like to think of themselves as civilized I believe hunting should be made as humane as possible.
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February 14th, 2012, 3:01 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaWhat is a cat but the least humane of rat traps?My mother once had to deal with an exterminator in a small office she worked in. The rats in the office were really smart and had stopped taking the poison. He was discussing the different options open to her and they all sounded rather grizzly to one level or another. But then he mentioned "sticky mats" which they basically walk onto, get stuck and then the exterminator turns up first thing in the morning to remove matt and rat (presumably to release it in a wood, far, far away.........).Unfortunately these rats were pretty smart....... and absolutely crazy. What they would do after getting stuck in the middle of the night, is gnaw off their own feet and scurry away, leaving a bloody trail through the office behind them, (and not forgetting a few feet and clumps of fur on the sticky mat).
 
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February 14th, 2012, 3:06 pm

If the culling of excess rats, mice, song birds is the goal, then cats are a horrible solution -- too cruel. It's better to use a mechanical (or electrical) trap that applies very lethal force to the target creature than one that plays with the animal and leaves it half-dead on one's doorstep.The choice to let a cat outside is a human choice that makes the human responsible for the consequences.
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