Well, it deeply saddens me to see that the Romney / Ryan ticket has failed in the 2012 election despite Romney's best efforts at slick-talking himself through the debates and wild promises of a 20% across-the-board tax cut and balancing the budget, etc.Now that the 2012 election is behind us and in the past, how do you feel that Ryan will fare against Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election.

Hillary does not have the energy for it.

a) it ain't over till it's over and it is still too close to callb) biden said a few days ago that he's in in 2016 so hrc will have competition is she runs

QuoteOriginally posted by: traderjoe1976Well, it deeply saddens me to see that the Romney / Ryan ticket has failed in the 2012 election despite Romney's best efforts at slick-talking himself through the debates and wild promises of a 20% across-the-board tax cut and balancing the budget, etc.Now that the 2012 election is behind us and in the past, how do you feel that Ryan will fare against Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election.What amazes me is the record time in which Romney transformed Ryan from this "smarter than the rest" image to... nothing. It's simply weird. It was supposed to be some kind of game changer but while everybody was talking about palin right before election day 2008 (and after until about 2011) there is this giant disinterest into Ryan. It's weird.Then again it amazes how this guy with zero accomplishments (that's your obama cue farmer) managed to get that smart guy image in the first place? i mean we're talking about the guy who would sign a release for this:

QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintWhat amazes me is the record time in which Romney transformed Ryan from this "smarter than the rest" image to... nothing. It's simply weird. It was supposed to be some kind of game changer but while everybody was talking about palin right before election day 2008 (and after until about 2011) there is this giant disinterest into Ryan. It's weird.Ryan is a huge game changer. Romney has a chance to win with Wisconsin instead of Ohio. His chances of winning are increased 10% to 20% by this.

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintWhat amazes me is the record time in which Romney transformed Ryan from this "smarter than the rest" image to... nothing. It's simply weird. It was supposed to be some kind of game changer but while everybody was talking about palin right before election day 2008 (and after until about 2011) there is this giant disinterest into Ryan. It's weird.Ryan is a huge game changer. Romney has a chance to win with Wisconsin instead of Ohio. His chances of winning are increased 10% to 20% by this.Actually the numbers in Wisconsin haven't changed much since early August: RCPBut even more interesting is that Ryan has no mindshare. Nobody is talking about him. Nobody is talking about his budget. Instead all the attention goes to 47%, Benghazi, Obama's 1st debate fail, Sandy. I would have expected that if Romney picks Ryan this whole thing is suddenly about Ryan and his budget. But it's simply not.

QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintActually the numbers in Wisconsin haven't changed much since early AugustThey don't need to change much for Romney to win. Which is why Barack Obama is probably on a plane to Wisconsin as I type this.

QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintQuoteOriginally posted by: traderjoe1976Well, it deeply saddens me to see that the Romney / Ryan ticket has failed in the 2012 election despite Romney's best efforts at slick-talking himself through the debates and wild promises of a 20% across-the-board tax cut and balancing the budget, etc.Now that the 2012 election is behind us and in the past, how do you feel that Ryan will fare against Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election.What amazes me is the record time in which Romney transformed Ryan from this "smarter than the rest" image to... nothing. It's simply weird. It was supposed to be some kind of game changer but while everybody was talking about palin right before election day 2008 (and after until about 2011) there is this giant disinterest into Ryan. It's weird.Then again it amazes how this guy with zero accomplishments (that's your obama cue farmer) managed to get that smart guy image in the first place? i mean we're talking about the guy who would sign a release for this:Isn't there another maggoty politician in Ryan's family???

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintActually the numbers in Wisconsin haven't changed much since early AugustThey don't need to change much for Romney to win. Which is why Barack Obama is probably on a plane to Wisconsin as I type this.That's what I'm talking about. Exactly that spirit!Ryan was this Republican legend and now his "huge" accomplishment is making sure that Obama's numbers in Wisconsin don't change much? That guy was BORN there! The numbers should be 60:40 Ryan or maybe 55:45. But instead they are just the same as in August. In fact Obama's numbers are even slightly bigger than in August...

QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintRyan was this Republican legend and now his "huge" accomplishment is making sure that Obama's numbers in Wisconsin don't change much? That guy was BORN there! The numbers should be 60:40 Ryan or maybe 55:45. But instead they are just the same as in August. In fact Obama's numbers are even slightly bigger than in August...Obama carried Wisconsin by 14 points. Kerry won Wisconsin. Which is why Wisconsin has been sparsely polled, and it is hard for you to see the impact looking at the sloppy RCP average. The fact that Obama is in Wisconsin the day before the election proves that something incredible has happened, which nobody expected: Wisconsin is in play.Here is the entire Wisconsin RCP list from July and August. WeAskAmerica doesn't even show a poll for August, then shows Obama up by 12 in September. So I guess you think Obama jumped 3 points in September, just because some idiot decided to do a poll? Rasmussen, who polled consistently, showed a 4-point swing to Romney. Everybody who polled in both months shows like 4 points for Romney. That is HUGE.PPP: 7 to RomneyCBS: 4 to RomneyRasmussen: 4 to RomneyMarquette: 2 to RomneyCBS/NYT/Quinnipiac 8/15 - 8/21 1190 LV 3.0 49 47 Obama +2Marquette University 8/16 - 8/19 576 LV 4.2 49 46 Obama +3PPP (D) 8/16 - 8/19 1308 LV 2.7 47 48 Romney +1Rasmussen Reports 8/15 - 8/15 500 LV 4.5 47 48 Romney +1CNN/Opinion Research 8/13 - 8/14 920 RV 3.0 49 45 Obama +4CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac 7/31 - 8/6 1428 LV 3.0 51 45 Obama +6Marquette University 8/2 - 8/5 1188 LV 2.9 50 45 Obama +5Rasmussen Reports 7/25 - 7/25 500 LV 4.5 49 46 Obama +3WeAskAmerica 7/17 - 7/18 1162 LV 2.9 49 42 Obama +7Marquette University 7/5 - 7/8 810 LV 3.5 51 43 Obama +8PPP (D) 7/5 - 7/8 1057 RV 3.3 50 44 Obama +6

If Romney wins, at this moment it is looking like he will do it with Ohio-Iowa. Which means one thing: Germans. They love Ryan.That is the only way to explain Romney coming close in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, while doing poorly in New Hampshire. Ryan is pure Midwest all the way, as I mentioned in a post on the first day. So he has been a bigger game-changer than I could have imagined.

I think the GOP's romance with the tea-baggers and misogynists is over. They've seen what it has done and realize that they're finished if they don't go for a divorce. The money will abandon the fundamentalists and go with Rove crowd (who went for Mr Etch-a-sketch-pants-on-fire-I'll-say-whatever-it-takes-to-close-the-deal right from the start). So Ryan has no chance. Much as they probably hate Christie for praising Obama during the storm, they'll probably go for him in 2016.

speculation mounts about democratic nominee in 2016

RAND Paul interested in 2016Rubio was in Iowa a few days ago, and at least some of the media think he's testing the watersAnd then there's always Jeb

god have mercy. let's not do this shit til at least 2014/15