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How Romney lost his Waterloo

November 11th, 2012, 1:15 pm

Southern states greet ObamaMy personal fav: "its called the white house for a reason"
 
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How Romney lost his Waterloo

November 11th, 2012, 1:26 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintWell maybe because the GOP tried as hard as they could to take the American economy hostage simply to hurt Obama?Maybe they did it with a rain dance. Obviously you use a metaphor - "take the American economy hostage" - because there is no actual thing in reality which you are talking about. You live in a cartoon.
 
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November 11th, 2012, 1:28 pm

QuoteWhen you fail, badly, there are always two things: You can blame others, or you can blame yourself. If you realize you failed that sucks and in a way it questions you as a person. But ultimately you will come out more strongly. If you blame others instead or rationalize your failure you just continue digging that hole your sitting in.Ultimately, you are correct. But if the government encourages you to blame others and urges to rob them, to receive not jus psycological but also material benefit of that blaming, its going to take some time to dig that hole you are talking about before the bottom falls off.
 
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November 11th, 2012, 1:39 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: zerdnaQuoteWhen you fail, badly, there are always two things: You can blame others, or you can blame yourself. If you realize you failed that sucks and in a way it questions you as a person. But ultimately you will come out more strongly. If you blame others instead or rationalize your failure you just continue digging that hole your sitting in.Ultimately, you are correct. But if the government encourages you to blame others and urges to rob them, to receive not jus psycological but also material benefit of that blaming, its going to take some time to dig that hole you are talking about before the bottom falls off.Umm, it was Romney who was encouraging other rich people to rob (or rather, continue robbing) the working and middle class.
 
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QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintWell maybe because the GOP tried as hard as they could to take the American economy hostage simply to hurt Obama?Maybe they did it with a rain dance. Obviously you use a metaphor - "take the American economy hostage" - because there is no actual thing in reality which you are talking about. You live in a cartoon.It is perfectly understandable what he means: the refusal by the GOP to raise the debt ceiling.
 
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November 11th, 2012, 2:00 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaQuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintWell maybe because the GOP tried as hard as they could to take the American economy hostage simply to hurt Obama?Maybe they did it with a rain dance. Obviously you use a metaphor - "take the American economy hostage" - because there is no actual thing in reality which you are talking about. You live in a cartoon.It is perfectly understandable what he means: the refusal by the GOP to raise the debt ceiling.Yes. It not even some kind of secret, but when Obama won in 2008 the GOP came together and essentially decided that in order to win next time they would make sure that Obama failed. That strategy worked quite well in 2010, so they doubled down. And then they lost.The funniest part of that story is that they essentially spent a billion dollars telling everybody how Obama is like the biggest loser ever, the worst president in history, a guy that cannot get anything done, a person without any sense or any accomplishments. And then they lost against this horribly bad president. So even with all their might, and all their money, in the biggest financial crisis "ever" with the worst sitting president "of all time" they still lose. Big. Almost every single state. The popular vote. Turnout. Everything. Now there is this sense in the GOP that in order for them to win Obama has to lose. That's obviously true if you simply look at individual races but it's absolutely possible to get things done together. For example in Germany there are essentially two large parties (Merkel's conservatives and Democratic Socialists) which tend to get around 35% of the vote each, and in addition several smaller parties (liberals, greens, extreme left etc.) who tend to get between 5-10%. In order to rule a coalition has to form. In 2005 no big party - small party coalition worked out so the two big parties got their shit together, formed a "grand coalition" and rule Germany quite successfully.I think the GOP needs to realize that now is the time to actually work together as well. Cause they tried vilifying Obama, in fact their platform embraced nut-jobs like Trump, and they tried simply blocking everything and it did not translate into a victory. They also tried extremist positions, e.g. Akin and Mourdoch, and both lost decisively.
 
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November 11th, 2012, 2:05 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaIt is perfectly understandable what he means: the refusal by the GOP to raise the debt ceiling.Yes.There is not even any left-wing economic model that attributes unemployment to a political debate between Obama and Congress. Nobody in economics or in real life has anything they can point to, to even begin talking about, so far as the effect of that debate on their actual economic activities. Meanwhile millions of people have millions of actual anecdotes of the effects of Obama's actual policies. In short, you are are just silly children, not to be taken seriously for at least another five years.QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintIt not even some kind of secretIt is the first time I have heard that the reason there are 47 million people on food stamps, is because the two branches of government negotiated over the debt ceiling.QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintthey tried simply blocking everything and it did not translate into a victory.The GOP house won reelection to control of the house of representatives. In fact, they took control after blocking Obamacare, which was then deemed passed, since it could not be passed in the new Republican house.
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November 11th, 2012, 2:08 pm

True. Millions of people now enjoy the economic recovery, the fruit of Obama's efforts. Live long and prosper, America.
 
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November 11th, 2012, 2:11 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaIt is perfectly understandable what he means: the refusal by the GOP to raise the debt ceiling.Yes.There is not even any left-wing economic model that attributes unemployment to a political debate between Obama and Congress. Nobody in economics or in real life has anything they can point to, to even begin talking about, so far as the effect of that debate on their actual economic activities. Meanwhile millions of people have millions of actual anecdotes of the effects of Obama's actual policies. In short, you are are just silly children, not to be taken seriously for at least another five years.QuoteOriginally posted by: CrashedMintIt not even some kind of secretIt is the first time I have heard that the reason there are 47 million people on food stamps, is because the two branches of government negotiated over the debt ceiling.That's great. So just keep on blocking things, alienate more voters and prepare for a fun Hillary 2016 presidency.
 
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How Romney lost his Waterloo

November 11th, 2012, 2:41 pm

Hell, if the GOP continues to act so blindingly stupid, even Biden will have a chance in 2016.
 
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November 11th, 2012, 2:56 pm

It's amusing how democrats keep telling each other this fairy tale of how bad it is for Obama, because baaad Congress opposes him. It's a norm in US politics after 50s since Nixon who was opposed by Senate and House for all his time, not an exception. House opposed Reagan for all 8 years of his presidency. Clinton was opposed for six years in Senate and six years in the House. When Obama was elected first time he had a unique mandate no US president hold since Jimmy Carter. Obama bears eerily resemblance -- Jimmy also liked solar panels, got US into energy crisis, screwed up standoff with Iran, installed bin Laden and helped him set up al Qaeda, and of course got Nobel Peace prize for his troubles. My expectation is that king Baracus will outdo Carter in all manner of screwups and achievements all around the place. Maybe they'll give him Nobel prize in literature, now that he got peace prize in advance.
 
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November 11th, 2012, 3:35 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaHell, if the GOP continues to act so blindingly stupid, even Biden will have a chance in 2016.The goal is not to get power just for the sake of power, and to enrich yourself. You assume it is, because for Democrats it is. Their policy agenda is to increase government power, and thereby their means for getting elected in the future. The goal of the GOP and tea party is to enact certain policy objectives. So the Tea Party will never be "smart enough" to offer amnesty just to get power.The Democrats are smart if the end goal is to get elected and get everyone on foodstamps.
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How Romney lost his Waterloo

November 11th, 2012, 4:41 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaQuoteOriginally posted by: UltravioletQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaScience beats superstition and entitlement, every time.Naïve but true :-)Yeah, call me an idealist ;-)
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How Romney lost his Waterloo

November 12th, 2012, 1:00 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerQuoteOriginally posted by: katastrofaThen why did he cancel the credit cards and left his campaign staff stranded in the middle of the night?Perhaps unlike Obama, Romney has never seen a budget which he didn't balance.With someone else's money.
 
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November 12th, 2012, 1:02 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: farmerI know, you prefer the vote-and-march. Vote for a leader who promises you endless free stuff like Santa Claus.That's why the 1% fund the Republicans.QuoteWhen the program turns out to defy the laws of physics, march in protest.Or demand a bail-out.
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