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November 28th, 2014, 6:47 pm

I have a good question for you: In the UK what is the common (everyday) term for the "plural second person pronoun".What I mean is, here in the States, we say:--"you all"--"you guys"--"all of you"--"y'all" (but people avoid this because it sounds very cockney)What do people say in the UK? In Ireland?
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November 28th, 2014, 7:28 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CactusMan--"you'll" (but people avoid this because it sounds very cockney)Technically this is a the contraction for "you will", not a plural second person pronoun.
 
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November 28th, 2014, 7:42 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CactusMan--"you'll" (but people avoid this because it sounds very cockney)Technically this is a the contraction for "you will", not a plural second person pronoun.the contraction of "you all" is "y'all" which is in meriam-webstery'all come back now, ya hearfrom elsewhereQuoteBut where did ?y?all? come from in the first place? A fews years back, historian David Parker explored this question on his blog. For an answer he looked to linguist Michael Montgomery: ?Montgomery claims that ?y?all? goes back to the Scots-Irish phrase ?ye aw,? and he offers as evidence a letter written in 1737 by an Irish immigrant in New York to a friend back home: ?Now I beg of ye aw to come over here.? As I understand Montgomery?s hypothesis, ?ye aw? was Americanized into ?y?all,? which is indeed a contraction of ?you all? but would not have come into being without the influence of the Scots-Irish phrase.I see little reason for doubting Montgomery?s hypothesis. But I dug a little deeper to see where ?ye aw? itself comes from. Turns out I didn?t need to look far: a quick Google search of ?ye aw? brings up numerous examples of this phrase being used in contemporary Scots. (Scots is a language spoken in much of Scotland which derives from middle-English. It influences, but is separate from, contemporary Scottish English.) This language was brought to Northern Ireland by Scottish planters, then brought to America by ?Scots-Irish? immigrants.
 
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November 28th, 2014, 7:44 pm

youse/yous Oxford dictionary
 
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November 28th, 2014, 7:48 pm

a different mapRhode Island is out there on its own
 
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November 28th, 2014, 8:28 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: outrunLOL grammerSee Kat's post 2013.
 
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November 28th, 2014, 8:29 pm

Bill Monroe, y'all come now and then
 
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November 28th, 2014, 8:38 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CactusManI have a good question for you: In the UK what is the common (everyday) term for the "plural second person pronoun".What I mean is, here in the States, we say:--"you all"--"you guys"--"all of you"--"you'll" (but people avoid this because it sounds very cockney)What do people say in the UK? In Ireland?English is indeed very imprecise language. In Ireland, Gaelic culture and language has influenced English (e.g. writers) so in this case the plural "yous" or "yes" used to be used, especially in the West of Ireland which is less Anglicised. Belfast accent
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November 28th, 2014, 8:45 pm

Oh, I meany y'all. I fixed it.
 
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November 28th, 2014, 8:47 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: ppaupera different mapRhode Island is out there on its ownYes, I would say that is accurate. As strange as it is, "you guys" is really the standard in most of the States.
 
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November 28th, 2014, 8:48 pm

But what is the answer to my questions. What do people say in Britian and Ireland?
 
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November 28th, 2014, 9:04 pm

QuoteAs strange as it is, "you guys" is really the standard in most of the States. I can't imagine Ms. Trackstar using that turn of phrase.
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November 29th, 2014, 9:48 am

BTW the title of this thread has spelling error. Who can spot it?