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October 9th, 2013, 11:18 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskHistorians "worldwide" have analyzed that the source of the German fascism was a fiendish mix of members of the education bourgeoisie, romantic nature admirers and admirers of the light and pure nordic gods. Workers support was a fake from the beginning.Names, names of those "historians"! BTW - fascism was in Italy. What we had in Germany (and Austria, I am sorry) is called national socialism.
 
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October 9th, 2013, 11:34 am

Hitler banned trade unions, BTW. And took away the right to strike."Between 1933 and 1939, the wages paid out to those in the GLF actually dropped a little. The cost of living rose during the same time by 25%. However, Hitler?s grip on the working class by 1939 was so great that they had no choice but to continue in this way."http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/tr ... ermany.htm
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October 9th, 2013, 11:35 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: GamalQuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskHistorians "worldwide" have analyzed that the source of the German fascism was a fiendish mix of members of the education bourgeoisie, romantic nature admirers and admirers of the light and pure nordic gods. Workers support was a fake from the beginning.Names, names of those "historians"! BTW - fascism was in Italy. What we had in Germany (and Austria, I am sorry) is called national socialism.1. The Occuklt Roots of the Nazisfurther ...? You may have heard of google? Try it, explorative learning is preferrable.2. fasci or nazi? You become a bit ridiculous. Different roots but one common ideology.
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October 9th, 2013, 11:38 am

- admirers of the light and pure nordic godsSomeone is my house is one of them.
 
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October 9th, 2013, 11:44 am

Sorry dude but Goodrick-Clarke says nothing about social composition of the NSDAP, he deals only with their (quasi)-religious background.There were differences between Mussolini and Hitler and one was quite important - Mussolini wasn't an antisemite. And at some stage Germany and Italy were close to the war with each other. As an Austrian you shold exactly know when
 
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October 9th, 2013, 11:49 am

Given how many of German or American "captains of industry" (Henry Ford!) supported the Nazis, we can safely conclude that the Nazis were not perceived as "leftist" at the time. In fact, the Scandinavians - who were understandably scared of the Soviet Union - saw in Nazi Germany some kind of counterbalance to Communism. Hitler's stated goal was to destroy "Bolshevism".
 
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October 9th, 2013, 11:59 am

And a German millionaire Aleksander Helfand supported Lenin, you probably know the story of the sealed train to Russia. Did I prove that commies were rightists?
 
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October 9th, 2013, 12:13 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: GamalSorry dude but Goodrick-Clarke says nothing about social composition of the NSDAP, he deals only with their (quasi)-religious background.There were differences between Mussolini and Hitler and one was quite important - Mussolini wasn't an antisemite. And at some stage Germany and Italy were close to the war with each other. As an Austrian you shold exactly know when I knew you answer, because I know the color of your glasses.NazismWhat Communism, Socialism and Fascism Actually Mean for those who like easy reading - "... the Nazis are the most common example of Fascism .."And you can reject all sources, but the roots of the nazism is 1. the fiendish mix of esoteric groups that I have mentioned, by 2. the misinterpretation of Darwinism (why should "Unwürdige" (unworthy) stay alive) - you may want to google Richard Weikart.....But if yo know it so clear: where are your sources and names?
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October 9th, 2013, 12:16 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: GamalAnd a German millionaire Aleksander Helfand supported Lenin, you probably know the story of the sealed train to Russia. Did I prove that commies were rightists?No, you just proved that there is an exception to every rule.
 
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October 9th, 2013, 1:18 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskBut if yo know it so clear: where are your sources and names?School, dude, school. In Germany we have history lessons in school, I don't know about Austria. Of course, if you want one source on the nazis, I recommend Joachim Fest "Hitler" and some other. It's complete anad serious, only a bit lenghty.
 
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October 9th, 2013, 3:08 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaIt seems like it is envy from what I've seen and that's a far more socially destructive "deadly sin" than greed is.The data on charitable giving (in the US) show that people on the right are twice as altruistic as people on the left. For the most part, the left want government to confiscate and redistribute other people's wealth, not their own.Yes it is in a singular view, greed is absolute and envy relative. Relative is worse. Bit if greed is paired with fear it may cause avalanches - and it does. Envy and fear does usually not come as pair?The social impact of greed depends on the prevailing structure of the economy: is it a positive sum game, zero sum game, or negative sum game. If it is a positive sum game, then the greedy individual must create some product or service of value to others in order to satisfy their greed. If it is zero sum, then greed is neutral (those that seek wealth will have it and those that don't care about wealth won't). It's only if the economy is negative sum that greed leads to a net loss for society.Envy seems negative under all scenarios.QuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskCharity is not altruistic, IMO. To give alms is not altruistic - maybe altero-centric in a small interval of time. Billy Holiday is right: God bless the child that got his own We may have to agree to disagree on what counts as altruism (although I do agree that altruism is a form of selfishness).And I have to apologize for my ignorance about Billy Holiday and whether the song is meant to be ironic, sarcastic, ideological, proselytizing, etc. I'm afraid that I find music to be an highly ambiguous communication medium.
 
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October 9th, 2013, 6:12 pm

T4A, I apologize for the BH song reference. It was stupid. It just came to my mind, because I think that too many peaple want children as social aid, but at the other hand give them alms, because they do not trust them .... But this has nothing to do with the charity assesment. Sorry.
 
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October 9th, 2013, 6:26 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskT4A, I apologize for the BH song reference. It was stupid. It just came to my mind, because I think that too many peaple want children as social aid, but at the other hand give them alms, because they do not trust them .... But this has nothing to do with the charity assesment. Sorry.when i read it this came into my head ..
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October 9th, 2013, 6:46 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskT4A, I apologize for the BH song reference. It was stupid. It just came to my mind, because I think that too many peaple want children as social aid, but at the other hand give them alms, because they do not trust them .... But this has nothing to do with the charity assesment. Sorry.You need not apologize! I'd wager the most on the forum understood it. I'm the odd one who is befuddled by music!
 
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October 9th, 2013, 6:59 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskT4A, I apologize for the BH song reference. It was stupid. It just came to my mind, because I think that too many peaple want children as social aid, but at the other hand give them alms, because they do not trust them .... But this has nothing to do with the charity assesment. Sorry.when i read it this came into my head ..I rather think of me talking to myself in the future.
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