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Gamal
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why are some guys left-wing?

October 11th, 2013, 9:19 am

Austria isn't far from Germany and the meaning of the left and the right are more or less the same in both countries. And since left and right are very close in both countries (as opposed to UK and US) we must be very precise in definitions. Therefore I am not buying the concept that right=evil and left=good.
 
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October 11th, 2013, 9:33 am

QuoteOriginally posted by: GamalAustria isn't far from Germany and the meaning of the left and the right are more or less the same in both countries. And since left and right are very close in both countries (as opposed to UK and US) we must be very precise in definitions. Therefore I am not buying the concept that right=evil and left=good.THIS is absolutely fair, but please do not explain why with bad arguments, ....
 
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October 11th, 2013, 10:06 am

No real world party calling itsefs left-wing ever wanted a market liberation and a slim government. Goverments grow for all orientations, that's true, but rightists try to slow down this process or at least hide it. Analogously with market liberalisation - if a left-wing government is forced to do it (Blair, Schröder), they don't seem to be very proud of it.I agree about strict horizontal community ideology but a leftist government must be omnipotent. The border case is North Korea, where an individual is nothing.
 
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October 11th, 2013, 4:07 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: exneratunriskSo a "real left-wing" wants a market liberation, the orthogonalization of economy and the social system and sharing. Instruments would be unconditioned basic income, changing the reference system for progressive tax from wages to income, cancel all subsidies, ...and ... drumroll ... organize a slim government that concentrates on hard and soft infrastructure.First, let me wholehearted agree with the goal of "a slim government that concentrates on hard and soft infrastructure." And the concept of the orthogonalization of economy and the social system seems attractive on the surface. But is it possible? To the extent that the "social system" involves any transfers of money or money-like instruments, it immediately becomes non-orthogonal to the economy. The redistribution of money among producers and consumers can't help but change economic patterns of production and consumption.∂Standard_of_Living/∂Labour: how do social policies modulate returns on labour?∂Standard_of_Living/∂Savings: how do social policies modulate returns on savings?∂Standard_of_Living/∂Risk_Taking: how do social policies modulate the expected value of risky investments?Or, more generally, what is:Standard_of_Living( Person_i | Decisions_and_Actions(Person_i) )A central challenge to government is to skim enough resources from the economy to provide vital services/infrastructure to that economy without stunting the very economy that the government depends on.
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October 12th, 2013, 12:22 am

Some good Hoffer lines:QuoteIt was the craving to be a one and only people which impelled the ancient Hebrews to invent a one and only God whose one and only people they were to be.QuoteIt is probably true that business corrupts everything it touches. It corrupts politics, sports, literature, art, labor unions and so on. But business also corrupts and undermines monolithic totalitarianism. Capitalism is at its liberating best in a noncapitalist environment.QuoteThere is no doubt that in exchanging a self-centered for a selfless life we gain enormously in self-esteem. The vanity of the selfless, even those who practice utmost humility, is boundless.
 
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October 12th, 2013, 12:11 pm

Left-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.
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October 12th, 2013, 12:17 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnLeft-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.Tis a reVolvoing door, what?
 
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October 12th, 2013, 12:23 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnLeft-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.Tis a reVolvoing door, what?Yes, energy-saabing.
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October 12th, 2013, 12:36 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnLeft-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.Tis a reVolvoing door, what?Yes, energy-saabing.It's scaniadalous.
 
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October 12th, 2013, 1:16 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnLeft-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.Tis a reVolvoing door, what?Yes, energy-saabing.It's scaniadalous.Pining for the Fords? That's really daf-t.
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October 12th, 2013, 1:28 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnLeft-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.Tis a reVolvoing door, what?Yes, energy-saabing.It's scaniadalous.Pining for the Fords? That's really daf-t.Can't help getting vauxhall sentimental, now that 'es porsching up the daisies.
 
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October 12th, 2013, 1:34 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnLeft-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.Tis a reVolvoing door, what?Yes, energy-saabing.It's scaniadalous.Pining for the Fords? That's really daf-t.Can't help getting vauxhall sentimental, now that 'es porsching up the daisies.How far are we?
 
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October 12th, 2013, 2:06 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnLeft-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.Tis a reVolvoing door, what?Yes, energy-saabing.It's scaniadalous.Pining for the Fords? That's really daf-t.Can't help getting vauxhall sentimental, now that 'es porsching up the daisies.How far are we?Quite far around the bend of bay if we are land rovers.
 
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October 12th, 2013, 3:44 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnLeft-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.Tis a reVolvoing door, what?Yes, energy-saabing.It's scaniadalous.Pining for the Fords? That's really daf-t.Can't help getting vauxhall sentimental, now that 'es porsching up the daisies.How far are we?Quite far around the bend of bay if we are land rovers.Can we a ford a far are wee or will that cause ehaustive convolvsions?
 
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October 12th, 2013, 3:55 pm

QuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnQuoteOriginally posted by: Traden4AlphaQuoteOriginally posted by: CuchulainnLeft-wing guys tend to have left-wing mothers-in-law, left-wing kids and pets, and drive in left-wing Swedish cars.Tis a reVolvoing door, what?Yes, energy-saabing.It's scaniadalous.Pining for the Fords? That's really daf-t.Can't help getting vauxhall sentimental, now that 'es porsching up the daisies.How far are we?Quite far around the bend of bay if we are land rovers.Can we a ford a far are wee or will that cause ehaustive convolvsions?Peugought to know we can't a ford anything with fiat money. I gotta get audi here before I lose all 'opel sanity!(P.S. is the gold standard a "right-wing" or "left-wing" concept????)
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