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July 24th, 2019, 12:22 pm

Or leave EU and avoid paying 39 big ones.

WWI was started to control the rise of the German North Sea fleet.
 
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July 24th, 2019, 1:56 pm

Germany started WW1 to control the rise of its own fleet?

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July 24th, 2019, 2:32 pm

Yeah, they did something more or less that stupid.
 
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July 24th, 2019, 2:43 pm

Germany started WW1 to control the rise of its own fleet?

<compiler error>
You silly boy!
 
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July 24th, 2019, 9:55 pm

I know it's popular among the apologists for German militarism to argue that it was Great Britain which started WW1, but the facts say otherwise.
 
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July 24th, 2019, 10:05 pm

I know it's popular among the apologists for German militarism to argue that it was Great Britain which started WW1, but the facts say otherwise.
I could have sworn there was an arch duke involved, somehow.
 
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July 24th, 2019, 10:17 pm

I know it's popular among the apologists for German militarism to argue that it was Great Britain which started WW1, but the facts say otherwise.
You're reading John Buchan, no doubt.(History of the War). FYI I've all 24 volumes, 1st edition.
Where do you go to for facts?

Check out the relative economic growth of the British Empire and Germany for the period 1870-1914. This will give you a clue.
 
 
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July 25th, 2019, 8:46 am

European countries are like in the comedy "How I Unleashed World War II" - each of them convinced about the major role of themselves and the region in the geopolitical arena. It was highly likely that the Balkan conflict would spread - not anyone's fault (Turks? - ridiculous!). The gears of history are turning, and it's good (if it wasn't for those wars I'd probably be now sitting in someone's harem).
 
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July 25th, 2019, 9:11 am

Mine’s bigger than yours. Library, that is.
 
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July 25th, 2019, 10:44 am

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July 25th, 2019, 10:46 am

I can see you prefer ideology ;-)
 
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July 25th, 2019, 11:33 am

I enjoyed Castles of Steel very much. Although it covered WW1 Naval, it explained a lot of WW2 decisions made (especially the Battle of the River Plate). Short on the submarine aspect though - although one could hardly call those castles of steel.
 
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July 25th, 2019, 1:40 pm

Looks a bit of a motley crew you got there. Keegan looks a bit suspect.

In fairness to Baron Tweedsmuir he did have first-hand/realtime information on WWI but his book is a master class in revisionism. He did after all work for the Propaganda Office.
WWI - like Irak war - was a lie. Of course, we must defend plucky little Belgium. "Conspiracy between Government, big business and the media barons"
 
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July 25th, 2019, 2:01 pm

A German U-boat sank the Lusitania off the southern Irish coast on May 7, 1915, apparently without any warning, killing 1,198 people, including 128 Americans on board. It was a horrific loss of civilian life and a blatant attack on an apparently defenceless civilian ship.

However, according to David Swanson, “the Lusitania was in fact “packed with American-made war material, including ten-and-a-half-tons of rifle cartridges, 51 tons of shrapnel shells, and a large supply of gun cotton, not to mention 67 soldiers of the 6th Winnipeg Rifles. The German Embassy in New York had published a warning in New York newspapers prior to its sailing that because the ship was carrying war supplies and soldiers it would be subject to possible attack. 
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