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Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 25th, 2019, 2:05 pm
by ISayMoo
Keegan is a widely respected military historian. His "Face of battle" is a classic.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 25th, 2019, 2:12 pm
by ISayMoo
David Swanson tried to pin the blame for the Holocaust on the British: https://truthout.org/articles/david-swanson-war-is-racism-by-other-means/

"In July 1940, Adolf Eichmann, “architect of the holocaust,” intended to send all Jews to Madagascar, which now belonged to Germany, France having been occupied. The ships would need to wait only until the British, which now meant Winston Churchill, ended their blockade. That day never came. On November 25, 1940, the French ambassador asked the U.S. Secretary of State to consider accepting German Jewish refugees then in France. On December 21st, the Secretary of State declined. By July 1941, the Nazis had determined that a final solution for the Jews could consist of genocide rather than expulsion."

Poor innocent Germans. They just wanted to resettle all European Jews they could get their hands on to Madagascar, but evil Brits blockaded the ships, so the Germans had to gas the Jews. </sarcasm>

There is a particular brand of Western anti-war left-wing activists who will defend absolutely any evil regime or dictator, as long as this regime or dictator is not American or British. David Swanson is one of those, it seems.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 25th, 2019, 2:12 pm
by Cuchulainn
Keegan is a widely respected military historian. His "Face of battle" is a classic.
He was in favour of the Iraq War, so he is not objective nor accurate in my book.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 25th, 2019, 2:34 pm
by Cuchulainn
A somewhat less savoury review..

Keegan was also criticised by peers, including Sir Michael Howard[9] and Christopher Bassford[10] for his critical position on Carl von Clausewitz, a Prussian officer and author of Vom Kriege (On War), one of the basic texts on warfare and military strategy. Keegan was described as "profoundly mistaken". Bassford stated, "Nothing anywhere in Keegan's work – despite his many diatribes about Clausewitz and 'the Clausewitzians' – reflects any reading whatsoever of Clausewitz's own writings." The political scientist Richard Betts criticised Keegan's understanding of the political dimensions of war, calling Keegan "a naïf about politics."[11]
Noting Keegan's works on the Waffen-SS, the military historian S.P. MacKenzie describes him as a popular historian "partially or wholly seduced by [its] mystique". He connects Keegan with contemporary Waffen-SS historical revisionism, first propounded by HIAG, the Waffen-SS lobby group from the 1950–1990s. Commenting on this contemporary trend, Mackenzie writes that "as the older generation of Waffen-SS scribes has died off, a new, post-war cadre of writers has done much to perpetuate the image of the force as a revolutionary European army" and includes Keegan in the group.[12]
In August 2015, Russia's government considered banning Keegan's works, accusing him of Nazi sympathies.[13]

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 25th, 2019, 5:16 pm
by ISayMoo
Hmm. Didn't know that. Waffen-SS was nasty, but regular Werhmacht troops were murderers too.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 25th, 2019, 5:18 pm
by Paul
You lot are now off my dinner party invitation list!

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 25th, 2019, 5:33 pm
by FaridMoussaoui
so "Madagascar BELONGED to France" But "France OCCUPIED by Germany". There are all the same barbaric.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 25th, 2019, 5:44 pm
by Cuchulainn
so "Madagascar BELONGED to France" But "France OCCUPIED by Germany". There are all the same barbaric.
This is not a way to get invited to Paul's cocktail party.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QW-c9yk9EI

ISM: DON'T MENTION THE WAR.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 25th, 2019, 7:27 pm
by FaridMoussaoui
Well the Brits exterminated the Tasmanians before Nazis existed.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 26th, 2019, 3:13 pm
by Cuchulainn
Well the Brits exterminated the Tasmanians before Nazis existed.
More recently, a buddy of mine was in a peace-keeping force to protect the people of East Timor in the face of genocide by the Indonesian army. Can't blame Europeans for everything.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 26th, 2019, 4:04 pm
by FaridMoussaoui
That's was to say that the Brits were not more morals than Germans.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 26th, 2019, 4:25 pm
by katastrofa
There's a book by David Olusoga about the colonial roots of Nazism:


TL;dr: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.alja ... 48009.html

And Galton was British. I've studied all of that lately to discover links between the AI science and eugenics. i hope you'll get a chance (and have time and interest) to read some bits soon.

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 26th, 2019, 4:45 pm
by ISayMoo
Well the Brits exterminated the Tasmanians before Nazis existed.
More recently, a buddy of mine was in a peace-keeping force to protect the people of East Timor in the face of genocide by the Indonesian army. Can't blame Europeans for everything.
Hopefully the Dutch will do a better job there than in Bosnia...

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 26th, 2019, 11:07 pm
by Cuchulainn
It can be done, i.e. saving the population

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJynHP8Ybw

https://forum.wilmott.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=77998&hilit=Congo&start=15

They were betrayed by the UN and Irish Government, similar to what happened to Dutchbats. The difference is the Irish decided to fight.

I remember it quite clearly. I was 9 years of age,

Re: Your rants here

Posted: July 26th, 2019, 11:30 pm
by katastrofa
Romans developed wars - murdering, pillaging, slavery and rapes...