QuoteOriginally posted by: Marsdenmost people in the world and even on this forum are not very bright, and can confuse stupid things that people write with sound reason.Iraq's report on its lack of WMD was all lies,There's no hope that people will stop being not very bright, but it is sometimes possible to mercilessly slap them out of their cozy acceptance of nonsense. And sometimes that's the right thing to do, lest they start goose-stepping into yet another novel wickedness.And so, in order to make the world safe for stupid people (or, more accurately, to make a world full of stupid people safe for everyone), it was necessary to mercilessly slap Hamilton around to the point that even stupid people ought to have been able to recognize that there was nothing at all to him.Fascinating! Which of the following statements, if any, Mr. Marsden, would you agree with?A) The vast majority of mankind is but grass in the wind, tilting towards good or evil inclinations, and then suddenly back the other way, by the slightest push. A minuscule enlightened minority of men are the pushers, towards both good and evil.B) Given that man is born in original competition for mates and resources, every man is inherently evil from the vantage point of his fellow man. The state of trade, where even the weak can withhold from the strong, is an unnatural state of goodness which man must be pushed into.C) It is possible, in fact likely, for the good shepherds to beat the evil shepherds in the tug of war for the minds of men, based on some principle of economics or physics. Moreover, this victory is self-perpetuating, to the extent power can be channeled to secure more power. Once they have won, the good can set up institutions to enforce the good, which enlightened institutions can be insulated permanently from the swaying fads of the mob.D) The incentive for man to do good lies in the incentive of the good shepherd to enforce the good. As such, men can only be spared from evil to the extent institutions of enforcement are established, and then evil shepherds are locked out of these institutions.E) Man cannot be trusted to be self-supervising, nor to enter into contracts or arrangements with his fellow man, absent the intervention and approval of an enlightened third party. A perennial sucker, man is unqualified to choose his services, associations, and trading partners using the wisdom of his own experience, lessons and traditions. He will be forever fooled by mutating facades of brand names which only good shepherds are immune to and can sort between. Fortunately, good shepherds can be everywhere at all times, and substitute their own decisions for the thousands of tiny foolishnesses which make up the day of the average fool.F) Evil can quicly take root anywhere, in the willing soil that is the mind of the average man, except a sterile soil can be established in a central authority of good-doing shepherds. Therefore, the growth of impetus must be weeded out and permitted only in the sheltered temple. Members of the temple shall be selected based on the resistance of their minds to evil, and on the susceptibility of their minds to the clearly-recgonizable (to the enlightened) virus of goodness.F) There are not only 1) enough enlightened shepherds who both a) can recognize between good and evil, and b) have been born with an internal seed of good by some flip of the coin, but also 2) some mechanism exists by which the good shepherds can discover the individual circumstances and supervise the activities of the mob, even though the numbers of the mob may be enormous compared to the number of shepherds.G) A multi-layer management structure can be established which will pass down the incentive to do good to each individual, not unlike a tree tranmits water to its leaves. The original wellspring of good in which the roots sit was put their by higher beings, and exists only in the ethers, where it is beyond the reach of and pollution by mortal inclinations.H) This management structure can both 1) discover the good - that being the human needs of the benighted members of the masses - and 2) coordinate the activities of these individuals to satisfy one another's needs more nimbly, and with more detail, than these indiviudals could transmit their needs to one another, absent the enlightened overseer.I) The only people who should be allowed in government are those 1) who were born enlighetned, and with an internal glowing ember good emanating through them from the ethers, or 2) those who have been slapped. To the extent the average man is permitted even to vote, he must first be slapped.J) Man alone is evil, and lost in a wasteland of evil ideas. It is only when the inclinations of man are channeled through a popular institution that they come out the other end good.K) Thanks to quantum uncertainty, there exists somewhere in a secret forest a spring of good. There is enough good there that it can be used as the source of all enlightenement in decision making, and all the opinions of men can be discarded, ignored, and drowned out. It is not necessary to push this good into men, and through them into democratic insitutions, when the hearts of men can be bypassed, and the spring can be diverted to flow directly into the instituions of enforcement, and from there to the actions of men, despite their evil hearts.L) Evil is more likely to arise in spontaneous inreractions between men, than in interactions between men and governments. Man is more capable of achieving evil ends on his own, and when it is a competition of all individuals against all individuals, than when the evil inclinations are channeled through the lightening rod of central management, which magically transforms them into good. Men are less evil when voting for strongmen, for instance, than when choosing whom to hire or buy their products from.M) It is only as an individual that man is evil. Decisions made collectively, and with the power of the mob behind them, are more likely to be good. It is therefore only necessary that the good shepherds synchronize the mob into a single aim, for theri aims to become good. The more people agree on something, the more likely it is not only to be enforced, but to be good.N) Fortunately, man as an individual is only capable of enforcing his individualist evil on a tiny, insignificant scale. He is at all times in competition for associations with other men, against other men, to where he cannot hope for his personal evil to win the day in its original, unadulterated form.O) The freedom of men to do evil lies not in their freedom to do it as individuals, but in their freedom to channel and concentrate their will into collectives. The freedom for individuals to goosestep, and for each individual to observe and attempt to synchronize his steps with the steps of his neighbor is not enough. It is only in the establishment of institutions designed to enforce good that evil can be picked up and detected, as with an antenna, achieve critical mass, and be transmitted.P) The only way to enforce good is through institutions of enforcement. Without such institutions, both good and evil lack the self-organizing momentum to ever form even an fleeting island in a sea of systemic forces. Good and evil become lost in the rat race. The competing bits and fragemnts of good and evil can never achive coherence without an enlightened shepherd.Q) Every man would be an easy mark for purveyors of evil inclination, and would become a purveyor himself, were not enlightened institutions established to deprive man of this freedom.R) Competition in the arena of ideas must be regulated by enlightened referees, if not outright prevented, lest evil win out.S) There is no need for feedback from the conditions of the masses to the decisions of the enlightened leaders. The source of the leader's disposition to do good and to amend wrongs comes not from any cost to him of bad outcomes suffered and borne by the masses, but from a secret wellspring of good. This wellspring acts as a thermometer, sometimes even labeling as good an outcome which the masses themselves consider to be bad.T) Good does not arise from feedback loops between men, each reporting to another his tastes and distastes, and each judging and rewarding his neighbor's actions. Rather, such feedback loops only serve to recycle evil. It is only by the removal of all feedback that the good can be enabled to flow freely. Men spontaneously organize themselves to evil ends. Anything occurring spontaneously, and without conscious contrivance or direction, is evil. Any self-regulating feedback structure emerging between men can become hijacked by evil. Molecules, and patterns of wildlife populations, are evil.U) Man was designed to survive in a small tribe, or in the commune that is the family. It is only in this circumstance that his instincts can be expected to guide him correctly in choices between right and wrong. He wil always do evil to other tribes, or to people with whom he is not face-to-face, no matter how, nor through what institution, his decisions are channeled.V) Some smart people are so smart as to be above evil.W) An individual man operates not based on external incentives, but on internal disposition. And nor do men operating based on external incentives survive at a higher rate, such that the surviving pool of men would be disproportionately composed of men operating under incentive, even if the original pool was moslty composed of men following disposition, whether towards good or evil.X) Whether good or evil men survive is independent of the incentives created by a system. It is not possible for men satisfying the needs of their neighbors to a greater or lesser degree, to be more or less likely to survive in one economic system versus another. Rather, it is the absence of creative destruction, and the insulation from systemic forces, which allows the good to survive.Y) A scientific apparatus can be devised such that any time a slap is delivered, a scientist so trained can determine the original root cause of that slap, whether it was sparked by the heart of God, or was at the end of an Earthly chain of cause and effect, originating in the evil hearts of men. The former is not only preferable, but possible.Z) In fact, the most important service a community can provide to its individual members is not to protect the property rights of the weak against the strong, and of the industrious against the unproductive, so as to integrate and secure the cooperation of all. Rather, the role of the community and, more specifically of the enlightened subset, is to slap the individual, out of an overriding concern with the contents of his mind. The overriding moral is neither 1) that morals selected by experience should be inherited, nor B) that private property should be protected, but rather that C) the enlightened should slap the benighted, even if there is no experience recorded in either genes nor religious text, but only in their own pompous confidence, to prove that they are good rather than evil. In fact, the antidote to nationalistic socialism is not the fragmentation and dissipation of man's evil will through individualism, but mind control.farmer
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