QuoteOriginally posted by: somorQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: somorQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: somorQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: somorQuoteOriginally posted by: daveangelQuoteOriginally posted by: AnalyticalVegaThe UK has had a history of favoring Muslims over Jews. During the British mandate they had strict quotas for Jewish immigration to Palestine. The British Mandate armed the Arabs while disarming Jews and preventing Jews fleeing the holocaust from immigrating to Palestine (currently called Israel and formerly called Israel 1,886 years ago). You reap what you sow.the Brits then gave the Jews a "homeland" in Palestine. They are so anti-Jewish.This fable is completely nonsense !The British's original intention was to diminish the French and Russian influence in the holy land, and to do so they had "used" the Jews. Just read one of the many biographies of Lord Palmerston.keep on dreaming.The British history in the ME is not so romantic as you pretend, but who am I to prevent you from fantasising the contrary. FYI Lord Palmerston was a very pragmatic figure. He knew well that the British power in the holy land could be advanced only by protecting and "importing" new Jews.I don't know understand why you want to drag us all down to your level of incomprehension of the simplest matters. I have never said that the British acted in a "romantic way" in the Middle East. In fact, perdious Albion was well and truly on form there. Please read up before you start posting.It seems that I have to inform a Brit of his country's history, a rather saddening state of affair. So starting from the mid-nineteen century:After the Napoleon's nasty crusade and the general decline of the Ottoman Empire a new wave of romanticism ignited in the Western dreams and suddenly all Western empires wanted to gain a firm foothold in the Holy Land. The French Republic advanced their power by protecting the Catholics (specifically the Franciscans of the Costudia di Terra Sancta), the Czarist Russia became the protectors of the Orthodox and the Ottomans were the protectors of all Muslims. Lord Palmerston and his evangelistic stepson-in-law the Earl of Shaftesbury were very keen to be the protectors of the Protestants, however, they were only few of them, hence they saw that the British power could be advanced by protecting the Jews. And in order to expand their power while diminishing the influence of other emperors they simply encourage Jews to emigrate to the Holy Land to a point that six years later the majority of the population in Jerusalem for example were Jews (1905). Now would like me to go on informing how the Brits used the Jews to serve their own purposes till their sympathy slowly shifted toward the Arabs to the point it became purely anti-Semitic?Other than quoting verbatim from Sebag-Montefiore's Jerusalem tome, perhaps you should genuinely try to understand what is going on. Even if Mr Montefiore's claim is correct I don't see how this makes the British anti-semitic. But then again, you are a pretty special character with a rather large chip on your shoulder.Don't get me wrong I have never accused all Brits or even the majority of Muslims in the UK for being anti-semitic/Israeli. It was Ernst Bevin in his tenure as the British foreign secretary who enforced a heartless blockage preventing from the remaining Jewish survivors of the Holocaust reaching their ancient homeland while, on the other hand, he continue supplying all kind of weapons and training to the armies of Egypt and the Transjordan Arab Legion under the commandership of no less than Lieutenant-General Sir John Glubb. Particularly known is his statement from Nov. 1947 in that:"if the Jews, with all their sufferings, want to get too much at the head of the queue, you have the danger of another antisemitic reaction through it all."So to make things clear, the Brits did the utmost of their power to prevent the Jews from having their own independence state and not vice versa as you apparently believe. Agreed?How is one to reconcile your earlier statement QuoteNow would like me to go on informing how the Brits used the Jews to serve their own purposes till their sympathy slowly shifted toward the Arabs to the point it became purely anti-Semitic?with your current oneQuote Don't get me wrong I have never accused all Brits or even the majority of Muslims in the UK for being anti-semitic/Israeli. As for the rest of your argument, it is so powerful that I am struggling to pick myself up off the floor ... truly a knockout punch if there ever was one.btw - the gaps between where you are quoting verbatim from other sources and your writing are quite visible. When quoting, please describe as a quote. thanks
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