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Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: October 31st, 2017, 3:48 pm
by Cuchulainn
Traden4Alpha wrote:
Should England get to vote on whether Scotland or Ireland remains/remained in the UK?

Most of the subunits of today's European countries were independent states back in ye olden days until some aristocrat(s) or a war forced a merger or acquisition.

In these more democratic times, it seems only just that various subunits might consider voting for self-government and separation from former conquerers.

(As a bit of software, the EU articles are deficient in not handling the case of a member state splitting into two or more states.)

Republic of  Ireland not but Northern Ireland is in the UK. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
England has always been in favour of Ireland staying in the Union since the 1600s. The Home Rule Bill 1800 was an aye for home rule but they bribed the local landlords and held another vote.

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: October 31st, 2017, 4:14 pm
by Traden4Alpha
Cuchulainn wrote:
Traden4Alpha wrote:
Should England get to vote on whether Scotland or Ireland remains/remained in the UK?

Most of the subunits of today's European countries were independent states back in ye olden days until some aristocrat(s) or a war forced a merger or acquisition.

In these more democratic times, it seems only just that various subunits might consider voting for self-government and separation from former conquerers.

(As a bit of software, the EU articles are deficient in not handling the case of a member state splitting into two or more states.)

Republic of  Ireland not but Northern Ireland is in the UK. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
England has always been in favour of Ireland staying in the Union since the 1600s. The Home Rule Bill 1800 was an aye for home rule but they bribed the local landlords and held another vote.
Just to be clear, in the auld Ireland-in-UK situation, which subpopulations of the UK do you think should have had a vote in Ireland's membership in the UK?

And in today's Catalonia-in-Spain situation, which subpopulations of Spain do you think should have a vote in Catalonia's membership in Spain?

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: October 31st, 2017, 9:14 pm
by ISayMoo
Apparently (so I've been told) Franco directed more investment to Catalonia then elsewhere, in order to bind the region with the rest of the country. The rest of the country might feel that the current wealth of Catalonia is partly thanks to that, and feel they're getting ripped off a bit by the secession.

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: October 31st, 2017, 11:49 pm
by Cuchulainn
ISayMoo wrote:
Apparently (so I've been told) Franco directed more investment to Catalonia then elsewhere, in order to bind the region with the rest of the country. The rest of the country might feel that the current wealth of Catalonia is partly thanks to that, and feel they're getting ripped off a bit by the secession.

Franco made up for that  in Basque Guernica
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: November 3rd, 2017, 8:20 pm
by ISayMoo
Weren't that German bombing?

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: November 3rd, 2017, 9:00 pm
by Cuchulainn
ISayMoo wrote:
Weren't that German bombing?

1937, Indeed, with some help from Aviazione Legionaria.

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: November 4th, 2017, 9:48 am
by ISayMoo
I can recognise German thoroughness from this photo. Nobody else does such a great job of destroying cities and killing civilians.

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: November 5th, 2017, 2:39 pm
by ppauper

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: December 22nd, 2017, 7:05 am
by ppauper

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: January 18th, 2018, 7:27 pm
by Cuchulainn
Miles de firmas a favor de la independencia de BCN y Tarragona


https://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/pol ... 0_102.html

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Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: January 18th, 2018, 8:56 pm
by ppauper
they should hold their own referendum after catalonia becomes independent

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: July 20th, 2018, 9:51 am
by ppauper
Spanish court drops extradition request for former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont

spain seem to have the European system where judge and prosecutor are one and the same

Re: Homage to Catalonia

Posted: September 12th, 2018, 6:24 am
by ppauper