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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 5th, 2017, 7:05 am

 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 5th, 2017, 7:10 am

Participants in the referendum opted overwhelmingly for independence, but turnout was only about 43 percent as Catalans who favour remaining part of Spain mainly boycotted the ballot.
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 5th, 2017, 7:32 am

Cuchulainn wrote:
Participants in the referendum opted overwhelmingly for independence, but turnout was only about 43 percent as Catalans who favour remaining part of Spain mainly boycotted the ballot.

a lot of catalans in favor of independence also stayed away because of the violence
wiki tells me that turnout was 42.58% with 91.96% in favor of independence, or 39.16% of eligible voters voting in favor.
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 5th, 2017, 7:38 am

A. What was the turnout last time?

B. How many more No voters would be needed to swing the vote the other way?

C. Following on from B, would such a turnout be likely if the Referendum was "legal"?
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 5th, 2017, 12:37 pm

The math would suggest that non-voters had to be against independence by a ratio of at least 81:19 (and all turn out) to swing the result the other way.

The other issue is should the opinions of non-voters be weighted the same as voters? Such citizens do not care about the outcome and thus are not as strongly for or against the measure as those who do vote. That is, a non-voter is really a voter who picks "let the other voters decide".
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 5th, 2017, 1:10 pm

Exactly.

And it looks like more people turned up this time than last despite closing voting booths, violence, etc.

This is, of course, assuming the numbers we are getting are not fixed!
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 5th, 2017, 2:30 pm

 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 6th, 2017, 9:53 am

Cuchulainn wrote:
Sedition?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1006/91021 ... ependence/
What next? Lock up the Catalan parliament?
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 6th, 2017, 3:39 pm

Money also have a power to resolve political problems and it might be a chance of delay or even elimination of the problem in next future. Let's take a time to observe. But who knows?
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 6th, 2017, 4:14 pm

double
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 7th, 2017, 1:49 am

Looking from the distance, since granting Catalonia the (illusory) national status and privileges by Zapatero, Madrid's politics was full of a childish passive-aggressive ressentiment (e.g. the rubber bullets used by the police to "pacify" the peaceful crowd during the referendum are banned in Catalonia after an unfortunate accident several years ago, or banning escaladas during Copa Del Rey last year). Castilians have this centuries old inferiority complex towards Catalans and a nasty temper like Poles. The situation resembles me a bit the UK and the EU: an old nation with a long political and economic tradition, led by experience and rationale, and some sleazy club party trying to impose on it their ways. No wonder it has fallen apart.
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 7th, 2017, 8:19 am

katastrofa wrote:
Looking from the distance, since granting Catalonia the (illusory) national status and privileges by Zapatero, Madrid's politics was full of a childish passive-aggressive ressentiment (e.g. the rubber bullets used by the police to "pacify" the peaceful crowd during the referendum are banned in Catalonia after an unfortunate accident several years ago, or banning escaladas during Copa Del Rey last year). Castilians have this centuries old inferiority complex towards Catalans and a nasty temper like Poles. The situation resembles me a bit the UK and the EU: an old nation with a long political and economic tradition, led by experience and rationale, and some sleazy club party trying to impose on it their ways. No wonder it has fallen apart.

It only seems that way.
But it sounds cute.
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 9th, 2017, 11:48 am

Let's call it a draw.
 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 10th, 2017, 6:21 pm

Cuchulainn wrote:
Let's call it a draw.

Comparing Catalonia to an ODE, the transient has died down. It was the heat of the moment ..

 
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Re: Homage to Catalonia

October 11th, 2017, 6:25 am

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