June 5th, 2009, 4:26 pm
Quote...go to india/china...Can't say anything meaningful generic about these locations but I have had good experience with testersin India very motivated and through. With China no direct experience but but had a friend who was sent toset up team for Wireless router programming, basically set up everything but after 2 years shut it downafter little progress and serious problems trying to communicate with these people. Basically, seemed inthis case people could either speak/write English or program but not both. Also, interestingly worked withethnic Chinese people and they told me they would never out source to China.This topic is close to my heart at present with my recent thread Calibration of Contracting Rates.QuoteSo simple question: Where should I advertise?Since I have been in software (with exception) of brief period in 2001, basically there has been a shortage of goodpeople, basically people who will get the job done as you detailed. The last time I did direct recruiting I failed15 people and spent 3 hours on each.... When they arrive you have the highest hopes by the end you wantto just go and get a stiff drink. Advertising location is a problem I do not know the solution to and if I knewwhere to advertise to get good people I would do it myself (and not tell anyone else the location).If you get good people which is far from non-trivial task then my calibration of what they expect to get is:1) US (California): 10-20K USD/month2) Romania/Bulgaria: 3-4K Euro/month (after tax, but these places are also tax havens anyway with appropriate structures)3) China: 2K Euro/month (not done this myself and so third hand information)If pay below this chances are all good people will leave (at least when upturn comes) and just be left withlemons, if pay over this then worry attract people who jump between jobs for marginal increases in pay.... Iwould just stick to this, which is my understand of the market price.Basically, if you go to IBM, KPMG etc or Sun Guard, SAP etc then the sign the deal in London/NY at 200 GBP/hourrate or similar and FTP the project offshore. Even offshore you do not necessary get decent people... But Iknow people working for 15/20 GBP per hour offshore whose billable rate onshore is 200 GBP/hour, quite aspread. I use such people myself, amazing now easy it is with Skpye and PayPal!, and cannot understandwhy anyone buys at the front door at retail prices when can go to the back-door and buy at institutional rates. In terms of going to an outsourcing firm they do bodies either 1/2 time or full time, on per month basis. Forreputable firms the standard international rates as I understand are around 4K Euro for a tester, but you stilldo not know exactly what you are going to get for your money.
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DrBen on June 4th, 2009, 10:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.