QuoteOriginally posted by: MartinghoulQuoteOriginally posted by: AnthisQuoteOriginally posted by: MartinghoulBut if Greece is part of the EU, surely it should expect that some, if not most of these issues, are going to be a pan-European problem, rather than solely a Greek problem? Conversely, if Greeks feel that the EU is unable or unwilling to deal with these issues, maybe they shouldn't have ever joined such an arrangement?EU, unlike NATO, is not a defence coalition, consequently apart from few Frontex officers serving in Greece, trying to cope with illegal immigration there is no other assistance from other EU countries, neither its foreseen from any current EU treaties. Regarding illegal immigration, Greece is a tranzit country for most of these people, while its rather not impossible to enter the country from northern or eastern borders, if they dont get arrested, die from snow and frost, step into minefields, eaten by wolves or bears, or just get drown in the sea or a river, its almost impossible to pass to Italy and then to their eventual destination countries. That means those people are essentially trapped in Greece, a fact that offers some comfort to other EU countries. Moreover, Turkey being, supposedly, a NATO ally country, makes things more complicated, nothing is foreseen on NATO treaties in case to NATO countries engage in war between themselves. Thus, untill EU is transformed to some sort of federation and forms a common defence policy and defence forces, such issues are to be remained unresolved by EU. On the other hand, I am not sure why I should feel safer if Dutch armed forces units are stationed in say Lesbos, French in Kos, Brits in Crete, or Germans in Myconos.This, unfortunately, is telling me that, at least from this angle, membership in the EU is simply not an optimal for Greece.Please elaborate. Even if there is no expectation for common defence, EU membership upgrades geopolitics and economy which in turn contributes significantly to defence capabilities.