I think Terry Tao is a budding mathematical hero.

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No idea who's Terry Tao, but I witnessed the cult of Stefan Banach.

math have their heroes, but slightly different than physics heroes

" "I'm not interested in money or fame; I don't want to be on display like an animal in a zoo." Perleman

so quite silent (slightly "nerdy") heroes we can possibly say.

physicist heros more outspoken:

Mathematican versus Physicists

" "I'm not interested in money or fame; I don't want to be on display like an animal in a zoo." Perleman

so quite silent (slightly "nerdy") heroes we can possibly say.

physicist heros more outspoken:

Mathematican versus Physicists

He was awarded the Fields Medal in 2006 at the age of 31 "for his contributions to partial differential equations, combinatorics, harmonic analysis and additive number theory", and has continued to branch out ever since:No idea who's Terry Tao, but I witnessed the cult of Stefan Banach.

https://www.math.ucla.edu/~tao/preprints/

And, by all accounts I have come across, he is a nice guy.

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Thanks and apologies for my ignorance. My mathematical culture was higher when my sister lived in London (she's a mathematician).

(It seems Tao should get a special reward for the number of collaborations!)

(It seems Tao should get a special reward for the number of collaborations!)

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Indeed, Banach was one of the major lights of Functional Analysis. Wasn't he a chain smoker and drank in bar (in Kracow??)No idea who's Terry Tao, but I witnessed the cult of Stefan Banach.

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Oh, c'mon! You know it was in Lviv, The Scottish Café - still open! He had no equal in maths, but also drinking cognac (but he out-drunk the strongest Russian heads), smoking and romancing with young women. Some of these must have killed him.

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Lagrange is #1.

Poincare was a polymath.

Poincare was a polymath.

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*Folks, machines do not, "learn." Let's endeavor to stop using that word. It has a very specific meaning in Psychology. They just make, "adjustments," shall we agree to say? They certainly do not even come close to imitating the learning process in humans, and thankfully they never will!*

And they don't, "think," either. Time to adjust our use of these terms.

i.e. less handwaving, more precise mathematical definitions.

And they don't, "think," either. Time to adjust our use of these terms.

i.e. less handwaving, more precise mathematical definitions.

Physicists and mathematicians

The former tend to have their heroes, mathematicians not. Why?

Are there no more (cult) heroes and even if there were, would mathematicians even care?

I think I know how mathematicians tick, but it would be cool to know what rocks the boat for physicists?

Genuinely interested.

Feynman was very good at explaining what rocks the world for him -- and many physicists generally.

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Feynman was such a majadero. That or his pseudo-mathematical derivations of negative probabilities - like a Monte Carlo discovery generator, he occasionally said something which turned out to be right, at least approximately (e.g. our quantum computers have nothing to do with his idea, but he's still cited in every related text).

Regarding ML, many psychologists make career out of shouting that machines can't learn and never will. I think the results in RL are impressive and sooner or later they will realise learning as psychologists understand it. Using Feynman's catchy phrase, they are now at the level of a cargo-cult learning. I'd say they are now at the level of Leonardo da Vinci's flying machine - we need a plane. Termodynamics. New science. You get it? I'm sorry, I'm falling asleep.

Regarding ML, many psychologists make career out of shouting that machines can't learn and never will. I think the results in RL are impressive and sooner or later they will realise learning as psychologists understand it. Using Feynman's catchy phrase, they are now at the level of a cargo-cult learning. I'd say they are now at the level of Leonardo da Vinci's flying machine - we need a plane. Termodynamics. New science. You get it? I'm sorry, I'm falling asleep.

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Reasoning by analogy is dangerous because physics insights (e.g. negative probabilities) do not always work in mathematics. But so many researchers accepted his comments as gospel. How many silly discussions did we not have on this forum?Physicists and mathematicians

The former tend to have their heroes, mathematicians not. Why?

Are there no more (cult) heroes and even if there were, would mathematicians even care?

I think I know how mathematicians tick, but it would be cool to know what rocks the boat for physicists?

Genuinely interested.

Feynman was very good at explaining what rocks the world for him -- and many physicists generally.

TBH, Feynman turns me off.

I think Feynman is great. But, personality aside, his main achievement was his diagram approach to Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) and general quantum field theory. His diagrammatic 'cookbook' for quantum field theory made the subject accessible to not just a half-dozen experts, but graduate students -- so ten's of thousands. If he'd done nothing after that, he would still be considered a giant in the field for that achievement.

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