QuoteOriginally posted by: FermionQuoteOriginally posted by: exCBOEIt is pointless to argue with someone who simply says what he pleases with nothing to back it up....perhaps I'm projecting again, right?Projecting yes. Pointless sometimes. At other times I even enjoy it -- especially with the most arrogantly ignorant. It's like, er what was your metaphor? Was it "shooting fish in a barrel"?Quote...you don't want honest debate. It's very difficult to find, I admit. But I love it when I see it.QuoteSure there are criminal capitalists.The adjective "criminal" is redundant.QuoteWas Stalin a capitalist/Interesting question. Certainly there are similarities between the power that accrues to a small powerful clique (through the state-ownership of all wealth) and the power that accrues to privately-owned capital. Plainly both systems suffer from a very similar form of corruption.QuoteMao?Mao was many things -- particularly a revolutionary leader of a peasant army. But I don't think he could ever be reasonably compared to a capitalist. Apart from being a Marxist, he was plainly too ideologically (and disastrously) devoted to a particular form of peasant-led social engineering that failed. His successors, however, have lost his ideology but embraced capitalism warmly when they had all the power to embrace political freedom and genuine state-supported free markets in a constitutional democracy instead.Do you really not get the point? They are examples of socialist leaders. If you won't defend their regimes, why I should I defend any so-called capitalists?Quote, even your hero Hitller? (zingggg)Or yours, Attila the Hun? QuoteNearly every criticism of capitalism hangs on government corruption and interference.Yeah, it's a mystery why isn't it?QuoteYou want to compare democratic capitalism to an ideal which never existed, doesn't exist, and likely, never will. You make no distinction between the obvious coercion in nature from the need to eat, etc. and the coercion of an immediate threat of violence from another person. In all acts of kindness you see exploitation.I am fascinated by the way you keep inventing these amazingly stupid accusations to throw at me. Of course, it's no coincidence that they sound like they came from Ayn Rand. Perhaps I should accuse you of being a serial killer or fucking little boys. Who knows, unlike your fantasies, any wild guess I could make stands a finite chance, however small, of being accurate.There you go, projecting again. (did I use the word correctly?)QuoteBetter someone should starve than be exploited by someone willing to give him a job.Better someone should have a chance to have their creativity appreciated and warmly compensated than be given the choice you permit them.QuoteBut the real evil in your ideology is its cherry-picking. Are the modern, educated Greeks really entitled to more help than say, the Zimbabweans? Why favor Greece over Burma, or India with per capita GDP's so much lower?Hmmm..... Should fairies be allowed to fly free? Are spaniels really entitled to better dogfood than poodles? Why favor ice-cream over filet mignon? Obviously someone must be doing the favoring or I wouldn't be asking the question. These are really deep philosophical questions. I demand to know your answer! If you don't give one I shall demand to know whether you have stopped beating your wife.You fuckin arrogant twit! My wife died from cancer 6 months ago. So I can assure you the question is moot. But I would rather have been waterboarded every day of my life than ever lay a hand on her in anger. You are a mean-spirited, worthless human being.QuoteLook at American progressives, who want to protect American labor from third world competitors.I didn't realize Pat Buchanan was a "progressive".Are you a complete fuckin moron? Even if all progressives want to protect domestic labor, you cannot conclude than all or any non-progressives do so. Of course without "converse reasoning", you would have no reasoning at all.QuoteYou all talk a good game, but in the end all the pompous, privileged socialists get cushy jobs with expense accounts at govt expense, while the true workers are exploited by them every day.Ah yes! The only alternative to capitalism is a bunch of exploitative socialists. Of course, how could I be so blind as to not see that?What is your alternative? Government by good faeries?QuoteI will no longer try to argue with you about capitalism,A wise decision, since you have such an absurdly ideological yet self-contradictory view of it.A new kind of distortion. Break apart two clauses in a sentence to change the meaning.Quoteif you insist on defining it by its corrupted forms.I'd love to see an example of an uncorrupted form.Unless you are willing to condemn every failed socialist experiment as proving that socialism cannot be good, I have no need to do so for capitalism.QuoteAre you so naive as to think I favor govt bailouts of giant banks?I've no idea whether you do or not. But I know your political friends who parrot the same bs as you, were responsible for both creating the conditions that enabled them to demand it and get it.As should be apparent even to a pathetic pinhead like you, you know almost nothing about my friends or my beliefs.QuoteWhat satisfaction can you get from twisting my words in order to pick a fight?None at all. You words speak for themselves -- with every fight you pick.Granted, I've been on this forum much less than you, but you seem to have been in lots of fights. Do you start them, or is everybody here less knowledgeable than you?QuoteThis could have been a nice thread, maybe even coming up with constructive ideas about helping Greece without rewarding it for its irresponsible behavior. But your venomous attacks based on lies are typical of leftists who care only about their fantasies as long as they are themselves living high on the hog.I am startled by the ease with which you represent intellectual honesty in the face of ignorance, dishonesty and bigotry as venomous. When are you coming to waterboard me?That would be a waste of water.QuoteGo ahead...put my words through your distortion machine again just as you have done in so many threads to so many members.Now you're getting really Orwellian. Honest reasoning = distortion, eh? It's a common feeling amongst people whose arrogant intellectual backruptcy has been exposed to feel upset about it and not appreciate the gift. But I assure you it is nothing personal. I'd do the same for anyone who shoots their mouth off so stupidly as you.We really are in that Monty Python sketch. I am shocked that you liked it. The question is who has which role. It's safe to say we could argue that point in an infinite loop, without ever leaving the sketch.