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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 13th, 2018, 8:01 am

It will limit what we can talk about. I will not be able to make any jokes. So basically I won’t be able to open my mouth in this person’s presence!
 
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 13th, 2018, 11:28 am

"the challenges faced by both our economies due to non-market-oriented policies"

What they mean by that is "environmental standards".
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 13th, 2018, 12:47 pm

"the challenges faced by both our economies due to non-market-oriented policies"

What they mean by that is "environmental standards".
They are certainly being bulldozed away with a remarkable degree of efficiency by Trump’s people
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 13th, 2018, 12:54 pm

Indeed :(
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 13th, 2018, 1:12 pm

examples of "non-market-oriented policies" would be government subsidies (like the support given to bombardier in N Ireland) and depression-era supply-management programs which still persist in agriculture
 
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 14th, 2018, 1:31 pm

This is interesting: Electoral Commission offered correct advice to Remain campaign but incorrect (later reversed) to Vote Leave campaign. Could be considered to be entrapment?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45519676
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 14th, 2018, 1:58 pm

I knew that all the time. Most people pretend.

40% of income of UK farmers comes from EU,  The BREXITeers counter that by saying that UK will use technology(to be developed..) post-BREXIT to compete with the likes of the Dutch. It's a pipe dream.

It will be a rough ride for British farming I fear.

In West Friesland a bag of spuds costs Euro 1.50. The farmer gets 6 cents. Chain of middlemen.
In Cooley small sheep farmers have an annual income of 13K.

Race to the bottom.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 14th, 2018, 2:44 pm

I can't help thinking you've got things backwards. I'm pretty certain that food is quite high up on the list of necessities of life, and that most people don't have the means or facilities for producing it themselves. So in any sensible economic system you'd expect farmers to do quite well. My train of thought leads me to question whether the current system is sensible...and that leads on to the EU...and bureaucracy...and jobs for the boys...wine lakes...butter mountains...and so on. I think the real question is whether Britain and Britain's farmers will still have the necessary backbone to deal with some short-term disruption or whether they, like their sheep, have been over-bred, in the farmers' case by the EU, to be totally reliant on a silly system dreamed up by some drunken, otherwise unemployable, morons in Brussels. It will be interesting to see. 
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 14th, 2018, 3:04 pm

EU or no EU, the famers have bigger, more powerful enemies who rule the roost.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 14th, 2018, 3:33 pm

farm subsidies UK
the average English farm received £24,900 in subsidies last year.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 14th, 2018, 3:55 pm

farm subsidies UK
the average English farm received £24,900 in subsidies last year.
And most of it is coming from the EU. 
Most farmers I know have at least 2 jobs, And their wives.

Best job is plumbing. Big bucks.
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 14th, 2018, 5:09 pm

Brexit is an opportunity to adopt a sane agriculture policy: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 34196.html
 
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Re: UK and the EU: In or out?

September 14th, 2018, 5:46 pm

On the border they don't care one way or the other.

Food has become a commodity. People want cheap, mass-produced chicken.
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