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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 21st, 2018, 7:13 am

it's actually a brilliant legal strategy and probably pretty common amongst the super-rich.
In the US, it is very rare for a public figure to win a defamation lawsuit
That's why cases are brought in London so often: in the UK, the defendant has to prove what they said was true, while in the US, if the plaintiff is a public figure, they have to prove that what the defendant said was false, that the story harmed the public figure, that the defendant knew it was false, and that the defendant acted with malice.
The very act of filing suit gives oxygen to the story: even if it is false, it's splattered all over the headlines and your "brand" is tarnished.
Plus all sorts of details of your life are entered into the public record, and most people prefer to keep their private lives private.

So you buy their "story," even if the story is untrue. It costs less than litigation and keeps your name out of the headlines. And of course you don't want it to be public knowledge that you paid a woman for her "story" because then you'd have a line of people remembering that they too had an affair with you and wanting to be paid for their "stories"

I'm curious as to why the media cover this but didn't cover the allegations that obama had homosexual relationships while married to michelle
For example, this book available on Amazon
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The biggest untold story of the 2008 U.S. Presidential Election... Finally, the no-holds-barred, 100% true story of Barack Obama's use and sale of cocaine; his homosexual affairs and the December 23, 2007 murder of Barack Obama's former lover and choir director of Obama's Chicago church of 20 years, Donald Young, just days before the 2008 Iowa Caucus. This searing candid story begins with Barack Obama meeting Larry Sinclair in November, 1999, and subsequently procuring and selling cocaine, and then engaging in consensual, homosexual sex with Sinclair on November 6th and again on November 7, 1999. You'll read in riveting detail how Sinclair, in 2007, repeatedly contacted and requested that the Obama campaign simply come clean about their candidate's 1999 drug use and sales. You learn how the Obama campaign, David Axelrod and Barack Obama used Donald Young (the homosexual lover of Barack Obama) to contact and seek out information from Sinclair about who he had told of Obama's crimes and actions. You'll read how the Obama campaign used internet porn king Dan Parisi and Ph.D. fraud Edward I. Gelb to conduct a rigged polygraph exam in an attempt to make the Sinclair story go away. The Obama team and the controlled media - specifically MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, the New York Times, CNN, Politico's Ben Smith, The DailyKos, The Huffington Post and others - attacked the National Press Club for making its facilities available to Larry Sinclair for a news conference to present his evidence and allegations to the world media. You'll read how Vice President Joe Biden's son, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, issued an arrest warrant on completely false, fabricated charges to attempt to discredit Mr. Sinclair's National Press Club news conference. This is a staggeringly true story of how the sitting U.S.President with the help of the Mainstream Media, the Chicago Police Department, the FBI, the Delaware Attorney General and others got away with murder and more....
Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex, Lies & Murder?
If it's in a book on Amazon it must be true, right?
The blurb on Amazon even seays it's 100% true.
Or even the credible allegations that BJ Clinton raped (so not consensual sex) numerous women while married to Hillary, and Hillary threatened the victims to ensure their silence.

Because the media hide allegations againsts Clinton/Obama/etc and shine a spotlight on allegations against President Trump
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 21st, 2018, 8:20 am

Vladimir Putin has met with four US presidents in total, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama and Donald Trump
In November 2001, Putin flew to the USA on a state visit and met with George Bush in the White House.
This was during Putin’s first term as president and then US President Bush said of the meeting: "This is a new day in the long history of Russian-American relations, a day of progress and a day of hope”.
 
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July 21st, 2018, 8:35 am

 
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July 21st, 2018, 8:39 am

BTW the Putin/Trump press conference the other day was interesting to watch (and so funny). One of the 2 leaders was well aware of the topics discussed, referring to (actual) facts and citing (actual) trade/industry estimates, while the other appeared as a boring clown vomiting his usual babbling. I mean the Russia and the US definetely don’t play in the same league.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 21st, 2018, 9:59 am

BTW the Putin/Trump press conference the other day was interesting to watch (and so funny). One of the 2 leaders was well aware of the topics discussed, referring to (actual) facts and citing (actual) trade/industry estimates, while the other appeared as a boring clown vomiting his usual babbling. I mean the Russia and the US definetely don’t play in the same league.
I knew it, you're a Russian troll
either (a) you're praising President Trump, which means you must be working at a Russian troll farm
or (b you're praising President Putin which means you must be working at a Russian troll farm
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 21st, 2018, 2:22 pm

BTW the PutinCrump press conference the other day was interesting to watch (and so funny). One of the 2 leaders was well aware of the topics discussed, referring to (actual) facts and citing (actual) trade/industry estimates, while the other appeared as a boring clown vomiting his usual babbling. I mean the Russia and the US definetely don’t play in the same league.
I knew it, you're a Russian troll
either (a) you're praising President Trump, which means you must be working at a Russian troll farm
or (b you're praising President Putin which means you must be working at a Russian troll farm
For the sake of documentation, I'm posting below the video of the joint Putin/Trump press conference that let people universally ( - ppauper) realize the brilliance gap between the 2 Presidents.
 
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 22nd, 2018, 5:41 am

Remember when President Trump first said that the Obama Adminstration was wire-tapping his campaign, and the media and deep state laughed at him and said no one uses wire taps anymore.

We now have (heavily redacted) copies of the FISA warrants against Carter Page
Judicial Watch Obtains Carter Page FISA Court Documents

while we're on the FISA warrants, there was some fascinating background on the FBI employee who lied and smirked his way through the House committee hearing the other day
Peter Strzok Grew Up In Iran, Worked As Obama and Brennan’s Envoy To Iranian Regime
Wilmotters will recall the texts with his lover, fellow FBI employee Lisa Page
“[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!” Page texted Strzok.
“No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it,” Strzok responded.
and
Later in a text from August 15, 2016, Strzok tells Page: “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's office” – an apparent reference to Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe – “that there's no way he gets elected – but I'm afraid we can't take that risk. It's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40 . . . ."
anyhoo, the redacted documents appear to show that Strzok lied to Congress
The documents reveal that Strzok provided information which was used to obtain a FISA warrant on Carter Page, directly contradicting his sworn claims to GOP lawmakers.
During Strzok’s closed-door testimony to GOP lawmakers last Wednesday, he swore he was not involved in the drafting of the Carter Page FISA warrant and that he did not provide any evidence or information to the FISC.
The Daily Beast reported on that hearing:
Rogue FBI Agent Peter Strzok Swears: I Had Nothing to Do With Spying on Carter Page
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 22nd, 2018, 3:04 pm

Mueller was right to fire him (Strzok). If he lied to Congress, the FBI should probably fire him, but what is your evidence for that? You say:

"The documents reveal that Strzok provided information which was used to obtain a FISA warrant on Carter Page, directly contradicting his sworn claims to GOP lawmakers"

1. What, exactly, is in the FISA documents that support this claim? 
2. What, exactly, was his testimony to Congress about it?  
  
What to Make of the Carter Page FISA Applications
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 22nd, 2018, 5:10 pm

there's a link to a daily beast article at the end of my previous post discussing his testimony
Rogue FBI Agent Peter Strzok Swears: I Had Nothing to Do With Spying on Carter Page
Peter Strzok, fired by Robert Mueller and a top target for Hill Republicans and Trump, testified behind closed doors that he was not involved in the FISA application, sources say.
I assume their goal was to tout his testimony and say, "see, we told you so, he had nothing to do with it."

Then judicial watch did the document dump
All the signatures etc are redacted, but this centers around a letter sent by Carter Page to Comey, which Strzok discussed in texts to his lover Lisa Page (no relation to Carter)
News articles in September 2016 quoted a (unspecified) law enforcement source as saying the FBI was investigating Carter Page’s travel to Moscow.
Carter Page wrote a letter to then-FBI Director James Comey complaining about the “completely false” leak.
Cut to the texts between Strzok and Lisa Page:
“At a minimum, the letter provides us a pretext to interview,” Strzok wrote to Lisa Page on Sept. 26, 2016.
It gave them far more than that: page 25 of the judicial watch document dump features that letter prominently in the FISA application
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 22nd, 2018, 5:25 pm

So, Strzok saw the letter to Comey and commented on it to L. Page. How does that equate to "Strzok provided information which was used to obtain a FISA warrant on Carter Page"? Since the letter went to Comey, then Comey was the FISA source for that, right?

As to my question "What, exactly, was his testimony to Congress about it?", your answer is that sources say he testified behind closed doors he was not involved. Well, if you are alleging perjury, I suggest exact words matter.

If that's it, your perjury allegation has little support.   
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 22nd, 2018, 7:28 pm

Rep. Trey Gowdy on Helsinki summit fallout
And there was this equivocation during the press conference that I'm glad he corrected it, but when you're the leader of the free world, every syllable matters and you really shouldn't be having to correct it when you're the leader of the free world.
Hear, hear!
 
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July 22nd, 2018, 11:23 pm

 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

July 23rd, 2018, 6:40 pm

You’re going to love this one that sticks to the authenticity standards of this thread. —

Talks that the woman accompanying Trump at public presentstions is not the actual Melania but a lookalike. According to sources, Melania scares for her life after those many declarations/twitts made by the President Trump dividing everyone against each other. She thus now refuses to appear along him. WH thus had to find and train alookalike.
 
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July 23rd, 2018, 9:02 pm

 
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July 24th, 2018, 1:14 am

Trump proposes Mueller interview with no obstruction questions

If that's the only condition, I think Mueller should accept, and wrap this up.
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