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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 8th, 2018, 12:09 pm

There comes a point where a post is so long that one doesn’t even consider pretending to read it.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 8th, 2018, 3:59 pm

anyhoo, there seem to be mixed feeling about AG Sessions. By all accounts, he's done a first rate job on immigration, where he's likely second to none and will be hard to replace, but he got played by the deep state on russiagate and failed to end the selective prosecution of people on obama's enemies list.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 8th, 2018, 6:53 pm

The little elf did exactly one respectable thing during his tenure, which was not obstructing justice with regards to the Mueller investigation.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 9th, 2018, 2:35 am

Having bypassed the normal succession plan in Justice, Trump appointed a career criminal to be acting attorney general, with no senate approval. As such, he is entirely illegitimate (at least if you go by the constitution, which may be irrelevant at this point), and will be a key player in Trump's obstruction of justice efforts. Interesting!
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 9th, 2018, 6:40 am

As such, he is entirely illegitimate (at least if you go by the constitution, which may be irrelevant at this point)
That's a blatant lie even for you.
Article II, Section 2, Clause 3, commonly known as the Recess Appointment Clause, provides that,

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
I think we all remember the Bush II era when dingy Harry Reid blocked Bush's appointments and refused to let the Senate adjourn  (by holding pro forma sessions lasting a few seconds every three days) to prevent Bush making recess appointments to fill those vacancies.
When Mitch McConnell subsequently did the same to Obama (dingy Harry Reid having established the precedent, and what's sauce for the goose yada yada yada), Obama ignored the Constitution and made the appointments anyway, leading to a rare 9-0 rebuke from the Supreme Court that Obama could only make recess appointments during an actual recess
BREYER, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which KENNEDY, GINSBURG, SOTOMAYOR, and KAGAN, JJ., joined. SCALIA, J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment, in which ROBERTS, C. J., and THOMAS and ALITO, JJ., joined.
NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD  v. NOEL CANNING ET AL.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 10th, 2018, 1:26 am

Trump's lies about Matt Whitaker are kind of cute. "I don't know Matt Whitaker!" "I know Matt Whitaker!" Take your pick... 
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 10th, 2018, 1:56 am

And his attacks on the Arizona elections are truly unconstitutional. As would be expected. King Donald, here we go...
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 11th, 2018, 2:14 am

So, Trump is in France to help commemorate the end of the war to end all wars and was due to visit a cemetery dedicated to fallen American soldiers. Except, it rained today, so he stayed in his hotel room and watched TV instead.
 
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November 11th, 2018, 12:01 pm

the secret service decided it wasn't safe to fly and grounded the helicopter
The cemetery is 100km from Paris
 
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November 13th, 2018, 2:44 am

Trump and veterans
Speaking as somebody who served in a NATO outfit, it's pretty easy to get offended by the cheater-in-chief.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 17th, 2018, 2:48 am

So, the whatever-in-chief is trying to make Erdogan ease up on the murder case against MbS by sending Gulen to his death in Turkey. Us fellow green card holders feel his pain, with evidently no protection from Trump being available. This is why tiny issues like putting his suck-ups onto the Supreme Court matter.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 17th, 2018, 12:26 pm

I can only repeat what President Obama's Press Secretary of the day said in 2016
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Shortly after the botched coup attempt of 15 July 2016, the Turkish government claimed that the coup attempt had been organized by Gülen and/or his movement. Turkish prime minister Binali Yıldırım in late July 2016 told The Guardian: "Of course, since the leader of this terrorist organisation is residing in the United States, there are question marks in the minds of the people whether there is any U.S. involvement or backing. So America from this point on should really think how they will continue to cooperate with Turkey, which is a strategic ally for them in the region and world." Gülen, who denied any involvement in the coup attempt and denounced it, has in turn accused Erdoğan of "turning a failed putsch into a slow-motion coup of his own against constitutional government." On 19 July, the Turkish prime minister stated that an official request had been sent to the U.S. for the extradition of Fethullah Gülen: "We have sent four dossiers to the United States for the extradition of the terrorist chief."[99] On the same day, the White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said that president Obama had earlier in the day had a phone conversation with his Turkish counterpart and the "status of Mr. Gülen was discussed on the call"; he further elaborated on the extradition issue:

I can tell you that also earlier this morning, separate from the phone call, there were materials presented by the Turkish government in electronic form to the U.S. government related to Mr. Gülen's status. And the Department of Justice and the Department of State will review those materials, consistent with the requirements of the extradition treaty between the United States and Turkey that's been on the books for more than 30 years now. But the President also made clear a couple of other things. The first is that the United States doesn't support terrorists. The United States doesn't support individuals who conspire to overthrow democratically elected governments. The United States follows the rule of law. And as it relates to Mr. Gülen's status, there is a process that is established in the extradition treaty that we will follow. There also is due process to which people who live in the United States are entitled. And we'll make sure that that due process is followed as well. The decision about Mr. Gülen's status and the decision to extradite him is not a decision that is made by the President of the United States. It is a legal decision that is made pursuant to a legal process, part of which is codified in a longstanding treaty between the United States and Turkey. So that's the process that we'll follow. Again, I can't say definitively at this point that a formal request has been made. We're still reviewing the materials that were submitted by the Turkish government, and we'll do that consistent with the process that's been established both in U.S. law and in the extradition treaty between the United States and Turkey.
Now, as was the case in 2016 when Obama was president, any extradition request from Turkey has to follow the legal process codified in the longstanding treaty between the US and Turkey.
The treaty dates from 1979 during the Carter Administration, and like all treaties was ratified by a 2/3 supermajority in the US Senate.
That treaty is an example of the "entangling alliances" that the founding fathers warned us against.
The decision as to whether he should be extradited will rest with the US courts not President Trump.
If Erdogan can prove that Gulen was a principal in the coup attempt, then the courts will likely extradite Gulen.
If Erdogan cannot prove it, then the courts will likely not extradite Gulen
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 17th, 2018, 5:17 pm

After a lot of digging, I found out that Gulen came to the US during the Clinton administration.
A few words about Turkey, and Kemal Ataturk who founded modern Turkey. During WW1, Kemal Ataturk was the hero of Galipoli, although the Turks were on the losing (German) side during WW1 and were stripped of their empire, which was divided between Britain and France according to the terms of the secret Sykes-Picot Treaty (secret until the Bolsheviks released all those secret treaties after they seized power in Russia). Turkey was occupied by the allies, and Ataturk led a successful rebellion against the occupation in the early 1920s, managing to continue the genocide against the Armenians/Assyrians/Pontic Greeks in the process. Ataturk established the modern Turkish state and launched a series of political, economic, and cultural reforms aimed at transforming the religiously-based Ottoman Caliphate into a modern, secular, and democratic nation-state. I remember being taught that he got rid of the Fez (those little red hats with the tassel on top).
In the late 1990s, the charge against Gulen was that he wanted to undo secular Kemalism and return to the religiously-based Caliphate which ended in the aftermath of WW1. If that sounds familiar, the same charge has been leveled at Erdogan.
With those charges hanging over him, Gulen fled Turkey for the US during the Clinton administration. The charges went away in the early 2000s when Gulen's then friend Erdogan became prime minister.  Gulen appears to have originally come to the US for medical treatment, or at least that was the reason he was admitted. He has diabetes, which of course is a rare and complicated disease for which he could only be treated in the US. The suspicion is that was a pretext and that once inside the US, he had no intention of ever leaving.
Somehow Gulen got a green card, despite the opposition of the Bush 2 administration.
The controversy was that he applied for an EB1 green card (EB=employment based) as someone with extraordinary ability in education. Homeland and State both opposed the application, because whatever else Gulen might be, there was
"...overwhelming evidence that plaintiff is not an expert in the field of education, is not an educator, and is certainly not one of a small percentage of experts in the field of education who have risen to the very top of that field. Further, the record contains overwhelming evidence that plaintiff is primarily the leader of a large and influential religious and political movement with immense commercial holdings.”
In State's objection
"Because of the large amount of money that Gülen’s movement uses to finance his projects, there are claims that he has secret agreements with Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Turkic governments. There are suspicions that the CIA is a co-payer in financing these projects.”
And indeed, while Homeland and State opposed the application, 3 people described as CIA operatives supported it.
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 17th, 2018, 5:23 pm

The Gulen story may be fake news
“No, it’s not under consideration,” Trump told reporters when asked about a report that the White House is seeking the extradition of Fethullah Gulen, a political foe of Erdogan who lives under exile in Pennsylvania.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

November 17th, 2018, 6:00 pm

meanwhile President Trump is reaching across the aisle,
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