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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 22nd, 2019, 1:09 am

it's worth looking at how the 2013 shutdown ended under Obama.
The House was controlled by the GOP, the Senate and the presidency by Dems, the exact opposite of now.
The House repeatedly passed a continuing resolution with no funding for obamacare. Remember, elections have consequences and the GOP had campaigned on no obamacare. The Senate refused to pass the House bill without obamacare and instead passed a bill with obamacare funded.
The 2013 shutdown ended when the House GOP allowed a vote on the Senate bill, which the House passed with unanimous support from the Dems and support from about 1/3 of the republicans.

Enough House Dems want to build the wall that if speaker pelosi allowed a vote, a bill with wall funding would pass
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 22nd, 2019, 1:23 am

You have a list of them?
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 22nd, 2019, 1:27 am

Here is my best guess of the list: [$] \varnothing [$].
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 22nd, 2019, 1:35 am

In 2013, the House voted to approve the Senate's plan by 285 to 144.
Democrats supported the bill unanimously, 198-0 with two Democrats not voting.
The Republican vote was 87 to 144, with one not voting.

If you think no House Dems would vote for a wall, then Pelosi has nothing to lose by allowing a vote.

It's a remarkably similar situation: president elected on a promise to do X. The opposing party subsequently gains the House and won't fund X, but the Senate, which is controlled by the president's party, refuses to pass a bill that doesn't fund X.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 22nd, 2019, 1:47 am

Fortunately, what I think has not the slightest impact on on what Speaker Pelosi may do. Why you would bring up a vote from 2013 is a bit of a mystery. That is from BTE, i.e. before the Trump era. No relevance to anything in the TE. 
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 22nd, 2019, 9:26 am

Fortunately, what I think has not the slightest impact on on what Speaker Pelosi may do. Why you would bring up a vote from 2013 is a bit of a mystery. That is from BTE, i.e. before the Trump era. No relevance to anything in the TE. 
I explained why I brought it up:
It's a remarkably similar situation: president elected on a promise to do X. The opposing party subsequently gains the House and won't fund X, but the Senate, which is controlled by the president's party, refuses to pass a bill that doesn't fund X.
The speaker at the time (Boehner) allowed a House vote on the Senate bill, even though it didn't have the support of the majority of his party in the House.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 22nd, 2019, 12:35 pm

The comparison implies that Trump is a normal president.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 23rd, 2019, 2:41 am

One of the great benefits to Trump of his government shutdown is that the FBI and the court system are increasingly closing down. Given that they are the enemy, he (and Vladimir) are doing just fine.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 23rd, 2019, 6:43 am

more and more dems want to end Pelosi's shutdown
Peterson says Democrats should 'give Trump the money' for border wall
Minnesota Democratic Congressman Collin Peterson is telling his Democratic colleagues to approve President Trump's request for funding a wall on the southern border.
On KFGO's "News & Views," Peterson said approving Trump's request could help bring an end to an "unnecessary" government shutdown.
“Give Trump the money” Peterson said. “I’d give him the whole thing…and put strings on it so you make sure he puts the wall where it needs to be. Why are we fighting over this? We’re going to build that wall anyway, at some time.”
Exactly
They were all for a border barrier before Trump wanted one, but orange man bad

Centrist Dems urge Pelosi to break shutdown stalemate...
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 23rd, 2019, 5:46 pm

Trump somehow seems to think that he can just waltz in to Congress and give the state of the union address uninvited. It’s hard to see the House issuing an invitation while he is holding the country hostage.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 23rd, 2019, 9:19 pm

if Pelosi had the slightest interest in breaking the deadlock, she would have the president come for SOTU so that he and she could have another opportunity to talk.
There are several alternatives for SOTU. Including the Senate
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 23rd, 2019, 10:53 pm

Trump somehow seems to think that he can just waltz in to Congress and give the state of the union address uninvited. It’s hard to see the House issuing an invitation while he is holding the country hostage.
you're being untruthful again.
Speaker Pelosi did invite the President (on January 3rd), and stopped short of uninviting him in her letter of January 16th.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 23rd, 2019, 11:00 pm

Trump somehow seems to think that he can just waltz in to Congress and give the state of the union address uninvited. It’s hard to see the House issuing an invitation while he is holding the country hostage.
you're being untruthful again.
Speaker Pelosi did invite the President (on January 3rd), and stopped short of uninviting him in her letter of January 16th.
Well, she certainly made it clear this afternoon that he is not welcome.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 24th, 2019, 3:08 am

In an extremely weak performance, just after he was told (admittedly in grown-up words) that he is not going to be invited to give the state of the union address, he paled and declared that the Democrats has been radicalized. After an hour of manning (or possibly catting) up, he decided to call his nemesis “Nancy”. The outrage!
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

January 24th, 2019, 6:55 am

Once again, the president has been the bigger man and shown that he is willing to work with Congress.
We're getting shrill, harsh, angry, confrontational language from speaker pelosi and conciliatory language from the president
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