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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 2nd, 2022, 4:25 pm



She’s right. Bang on.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 8th, 2022, 11:39 pm

Seems the FBI just raided Mar-a-Lago.

lol
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 9th, 2022, 12:03 am

Yes, but, as far as we can tell, not specificly motivated by the Jan 6 sedition case. That being said, evidence found under a lawful warrant motivated by an investigation into crime A can happily be used in the prosecution of case B, C, D, etc. So this could still lead to his hanging. Wishful thinking…
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 9th, 2022, 12:56 am

I think this signals an important turning point in the Justice Department's interest in the former President, though: they have had him dead to rights on document removal/mishandling/destruction forever, but that's a relatively mild charge. I don't think in prosecution you want to lead with your mildest charge, so I suspect they've been sitting on that while they look into other charges, most significantly seditious conspiracy or insurrection. The warrant is apparently about documents, but I think it means they are very close to making decisions about other charges -- and the decisions could very well be not to bring the other charges.

In any case, I think things start to happen quickly now.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 12th, 2022, 2:46 am

The bleading head Trump supporters (like most GOP senators) bleated their demands for AG Merrick Garland to make public the search warrant for the FBI’s Mar-a-Lago visit. And, today, he responded, and Trump is even more yellow than usual (not just the hair). Of course, he (Trump, that is) could have given it to them to begin with, but what would be the fun in that? It would not be at all surprising if he is found to have critical information regarding US nuclear weapons in his nightstand. Just in case he needed a favor from MBS or Vlad…
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 12th, 2022, 8:54 am

You don't think that perhaps Trump should be left to rant and ramble without being pursued for justice. I.e the means justifying the end. (As in trying not to split the US apart.)
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 12th, 2022, 4:16 pm

No, the country is already split apart. I think there is a small chance that it may ultimately mend itself, although probably not in my lifetime, but that chance becomes negligible if Trump gets on the 2024 ballot. The GOP machinery may give the presidency to him anyway, but not if he has been hanged for sedition and/or treason first.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 12th, 2022, 9:09 pm

I hear Trump is likely a spy now, I have to admit I always thought he was the real 007 as he looks just like James Bond, I mean in the future movies...

it was predicted The spy who trumped me: The maths of 007 Top Trump
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 12th, 2022, 9:51 pm

Now, you should be aware that Paul had a physical allergy to The Guardian, so that won’t register. But, in a vaguely similar vein, Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) started mocking Trump as far back as in 1990 (as the god of capitalism).
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 13th, 2022, 7:34 am

So it’s all the fault of this Scott Adams. With Narcissists it’s best to walk away slowly (preferably backwards), no eye contact, and ignore. Do not give them their “narcissist supply.” It just encourages them.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 13th, 2022, 4:01 pm

Actually, the cartoonist with TDS is Garry Trudeau (Doonesbury). Too bad, I used to enjoy that one but turning relentlessly political is also boring.
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 14th, 2022, 2:03 am

We now have the House minority leader threatening the Attorney General. Because, well, that’s what Republicans do. Fuck institutions if they don’t adore our Dear Leader. Just go die in a hole!
 
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

August 14th, 2022, 6:34 pm

The many crimes of Trump:


Seeking Ukrainian announcement of investigation of Hunter Biden in exchange for processing Congressionally approved military aid:
18 U.S. Code § 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses
(b) Whoever —
...
(2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
(A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;
(B) being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C) being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person;
...
shall be fined under this title or not more than three times the monetary equivalent of the thing of value, whichever is greater, or imprisoned for not more than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
In coordination with John Eastman and Jeffrey Clark, pressuring Department of Justice officials to send letters to state governors and representatives falsely claiming that evidence of extensive election fraud has been found:
18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.
18 U.S. Code § 372 - Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.
18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments
Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

This section shall not prohibit or make unlawful any act by any officer or employee of any educational or research institution, establishment, agency, or system which is supported in whole or in part by any state or political subdivision thereof, or by the District of Columbia or by any Territory or Possession of the United States; or by any recognized religious, philanthropic or cultural organization.
18 U.S. Code § 610 - Coercion of political activity
It shall be unlawful for any person to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, any employee of the Federal Government as defined in section 7322(1) of title 5, United States Code, to engage in, or not to engage in, any political activity, including, but not limited to, voting or refusing to vote for any candidate or measure in any election, making or refusing to make any political contribution, or working or refusing to work on behalf of any candidate. Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Encouraging and then failing to deter insurrectionist mob from attacking Capitol Building during certification of 2020 Electoral College results:
18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Contacting witnesses scheduled to appear before the House January 6 Committee:
18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
(b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or
(3) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, supervised release, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
Retaining government documents at Mar-a-Lago after end of Presidency:
18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
...
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer —
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy
Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).
(c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.