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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 14th, 2019, 10:40 am
by ISayMoo


I guess the precedent here is  Nixon
He resigned before impeachment and was given a full pardon and immunity from criminal prosecution by his successor, no?

If the the objective of the Democrats is to oust Trump and reverse what he has done then Pelosi’s stance seems logical.
Especially given the risk/reward of the situation.

If the objective is retribution and to have Trump publically condemned in the courts then the opposite looks the way to go.

The moral course of action seems pretty clear.
This is very short-sighted. What you failed to take into account is: how do you deter another Trump? Laws which are not being enforced start being ignored.
Deter another Trump from what?  Obstruction of justice?
Taking bribes from foreign governments.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 14th, 2019, 11:12 am
by bearish

This is very short-sighted. What you failed to take into account is: how do you deter another Trump? Laws which are not being enforced start being ignored.
Deter another Trump from what?  Obstruction of justice?
Taking bribes from foreign governments.
In the grand scheme of things, Trump’s corrupt and blatant abuse of office for the enrichment of himself and his family is pretty trivial compared to the real and lasting damage he is doing to America and the world. It is a symptom of his amorality and, because of its illegality, one potential path to his impeachment and/or prosecution.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 14th, 2019, 11:44 am
by ISayMoo
These are not unrelated things. Trump and his friends are not damaging the world just for the fun of it, they're being paid for it. Follow the money (and cut off their flow).

This is one thing which the Communists have got right in theory, though they never really implemented it: "Money will never be allowed to have the last word here. It will never be allowed to be “active". It will never be permitted to become an autonomous power." (quote from "Red Plenty").

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 14th, 2019, 3:21 pm
by tw
These are not unrelated things. Trump and his friends are not damaging the world just for the fun of it, they're being paid for it. Follow the money (and cut off their flow).

This is one thing which the Communists have got right in theory, though they never really implemented it: "Money will never be allowed to have the last word here. It will never be allowed to be “active". It will never be permitted to become an autonomous power." (quote from "Red Plenty").
You assume there is an over arching plan of corruption, Dr Evil style.
From what I can see, Trump just hands out sinecures to random low intelligence crooks (Perry, de Vos, FFS!)
Trump, one suspects only understands hooky property deals and leaves the others to exploit other channels.

Meanwhile, every day the public obsesses about collusion/no collusion or similar the route to win debate on
whether the US should be a signature to the Paris Agreement, (for instance) gets more remote. 

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 14th, 2019, 3:40 pm
by ISayMoo
No plan necessary. Just a sequence of events:
- Qatar gives a bribe to Trump via one of his investment vehicles
- Trump does something for Qatar
etc.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 15th, 2019, 2:09 am
by bearish
While Trump routinely confesses to major crimes on national TV (because, like, who's going to do anything about it), here is the sort of behaviors he is enabling:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/tenne ... index.html
Of course, you may find this to be OK, because it isn't going to kill you or anybody you know personally.

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 17th, 2019, 1:44 am
by bearish
This might get interesting. The treasonous president has decided to label the NYT treasonous, perhaps because they reported that US intelligence decided not to tell him what they were doing in Russia, on account that he would presumably just tell Putin. 

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 17th, 2019, 3:56 pm
by ISayMoo

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 18th, 2019, 11:14 am
by Cuchulainn
The cartographers are back at work.

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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 18th, 2019, 11:17 am
by Cuchulainn
speak of the devil, Photoshop again?
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Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 19th, 2019, 2:14 am
by bearish
Trump kicked off his 2020 campaign in Florida tonight (having already repeatedly suggested that this is not the last one). The crowd went wild once when he mentioned Hillary Clinton. A choir of "lock her up, lock her up" stroked his little ... (well let's say) ego. And that's pretty much all you need to know about the event. 

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 21st, 2019, 1:41 am
by bearish
According to Trump's lawyers, the newfound doctrine of absolute immunity means that anything anybody may know about what has been going on in his White House cannot be spoken about under any circumstances. Including while testifying under oath to Congress. Hope Hicks eternal.... Trump, not so much...

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 23rd, 2019, 8:47 pm
by bearish
Trump is back on the record today, suggesting that he will not accept a loss in the 2020 election. And that Hilary's massive win in terms of the popular vote last time around was just fake. So, we should be prepared for our own constitutional crisis next year. Hopefully, somebody will be able to end it properly. 

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 23rd, 2019, 9:15 pm
by ISayMoo
Are you calling for an assassination? :O

Re: Trump -- the last 100 days

Posted: June 23rd, 2019, 9:27 pm
by bearish
I would not want to get Paul in trouble.